Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

For the love of English 3 speeds...

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

For the love of English 3 speeds...

Old 01-31-15, 02:45 PM
  #6101  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,075
Mentioned: 476 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3761 Post(s)
Liked 6,409 Times in 2,539 Posts
Lousy pics, but here's what the 1955 Raleigh catalog shows:
Attached Images
nlerner is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 03:21 PM
  #6102  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 144 Times in 107 Posts
Two kickstands. The first is on the 1951 step-through "Light Sports Roadster" and is probably a match to the catalog image above.



It's a pretty nicely machined alloy piece and would probably really shine if someone put the effort into it. Note the Raleigh Industries logo.

This next is on a 1979 Sports and is probably similar to what Raleigh went to on the less expensive Sports bicycles I would guess in the 50s. I say the 50s because I have seen remarks by people familiar with Raleigh Sports bicycles of the 50s commenting on what nice kickstands the Raleigh Industries stands were. Meaning to me that the RI stands would have been uncommon on Sports bikes in the later 50s. I have an un-restored 56 but it appears to have a crappy replacement stand so I can't say anything about what it came with: RI or other.

Anyway, here's the 79 stand:



Not bad, but not the finish and form of the RI stand.

Personally, either style would be acceptable and I would troll ebay. The later, plainer stands should be about as common as dirt.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
DSC00377.jpg (46.4 KB, 105 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00378.jpg (49.5 KB, 107 views)
desconhecido is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 03:33 PM
  #6103  
Senior Member
 
dweenk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,979

Bikes: Lots of English 3-speeds, a couple of old road bikes, 3 mountain bikes, 1 hybrid, and a couple of mash-ups

Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 887 Post(s)
Liked 335 Times in 225 Posts
VV

My 1970 Sports has the ESGE Pletscher kickstand, original AFAIK.
dweenk is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 03:37 PM
  #6104  
Senior Member
 
Velocivixen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 400 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 26 Posts
Great! I saw one on the large auction site. Unfortunately the bottoms of the chain stays are dented I suspect due to too tight of a kickstand attachment.
Velocivixen is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 03:39 PM
  #6105  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 144 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by dweenk
VV

My 1970 Sports has the ESGE Pletscher kickstand, original AFAIK.

Probably the same stand on the 79 in the photo above. I think it's a Pletscher but I can't go out to the garage to check for sure as I've used up all my recess time for the day.

edited to add: some of this sort of thing is available on Amazon.

HELP, HELP, I'm being repressed!
desconhecido is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:08 PM
  #6106  
~>~
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: TX Hill Country
Posts: 5,932
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1112 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Great! I saw one on the large auction site. Unfortunately the bottoms of the chain stays are dented I suspect due to too tight of a kickstand attachment.
The ESGE light alloy stands that we installed "back when" were cut to fit a particular customer's machine, the stand from a Sports would not fit a Record.
If you buy an old stand that is cut too short for your machine you have an ugly paperweight.

ESGE still makes alloy single and double-legged stands and Greenfield makes a good inexpensive alloy copy.
Bandera is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:16 PM
  #6107  
Senior Member
 
dweenk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,979

Bikes: Lots of English 3-speeds, a couple of old road bikes, 3 mountain bikes, 1 hybrid, and a couple of mash-ups

Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 887 Post(s)
Liked 335 Times in 225 Posts
+1

Greenfields are great. Period correct or not, I would get one that attaches to the seat and chain stays (they call it a stabilizer).
dweenk is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:20 PM
  #6108  
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,643
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 624 Times in 330 Posts
For reference, the "shuresto" seems to have been a popular stand as I have this type of adjustable stand on both the 49 Humber and 56 Standard.



markk900 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:41 PM
  #6109  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i got my bike from the original owner with 25 miles on it ...1974 sports if it matters . definitely not alloy though

Last edited by michaelz28; 01-31-15 at 04:50 PM.
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:54 PM
  #6110  
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,643
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 624 Times in 330 Posts
@Velocivixen: this one is modern but sure looks like the old ones:

Avenir Aluminum Bike Center Mount Kickstand 285mm Long 20"24"26" 700C Silver NEW | eBay

Ugly way to make it fit (hacksaw) but for $2 who cares?
markk900 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 04:55 PM
  #6111  
Senior Member
 
Velocivixen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 400 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 26 Posts
Hey all, what a nice variety of kickstands. Lots of choices. I've got some Greenfields, although haven't measured them (off other bikes). @markk900 - I must say that your "shuresto" is very interesting and unusual. Is that original to the bike, and if not, where did you manage to find it? Very cleverly designed.

I'm attending the "Society of Three Speeds" get together tonight at Velo Cult. Apparently there will be a trivia game with prizes - so I've been studying up. I'll post later about how it went.
Velocivixen is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:05 PM
  #6112  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 144 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by markk900
@Velocivixen: this one is modern but sure looks like the old ones:

Avenir Aluminum Bike Center Mount Kickstand 285mm Long 20"24"26" 700C Silver NEW | eBay

Ugly way to make it fit (hacksaw) but for $2 who cares?
Maybe the guy who orders it and gets dinged with almost $44 (US) for shipping. (ouch!). You'd be bettor off ordering four of them from Dick's Sporting goods at $8 each and thus qualifying for free shipping on orders over $25. Then, you could sell the three that you don't need on Ebay for $1 each with $15 shipping and probably come out about $10 ahead. That would make the one you used free.

This reminds me of the Nando's "where's the change" commercial.
desconhecido is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:05 PM
  #6113  
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,643
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 624 Times in 330 Posts
The shuresto on both my and my wife's bikes were (to the best of my knowledge) added by the original owners. I did not add them or source them, but was showing that two bikes that made their way to Canada presumably through very different paths had the same stand - making me assume they were fairly common. I love that they are "elegantly" adjustable, with a screwdriver rather than a hacksaw.

Say hello to Shawn from Mark in Ontario for me please! And good luck on the trivia contest....
markk900 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:06 PM
  #6114  
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,643
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 624 Times in 330 Posts
Originally Posted by desconhecido
Maybe the guy who orders it and gets dinged with almost $44 (US) for shipping. (ouch!). You'd be bettor off ordering four of them from Dick's Sporting goods at $8 each and thus qualifying for free shipping on orders over $25. Then, you could sell the three that you don't need on Ebay for $1 each with $15 shipping and probably come out about $10 ahead. That would make the one you used free.

This reminds me of the Nando's "where's the change" commercial.
I am in Canada and see shipping charges like that all the time - I assumed that was unique to me! However, looks readily available anyway....
markk900 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:06 PM
  #6115  
Senior Member
 
Number_6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Versailles, KY
Posts: 142

Bikes: Too many to list in this particular space...

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's interesting. My '85 Team USA road bike had what looked to be your average aftermarket alloy kickstand on it. I was mounting it on the Sirrus when I noticed "Raleigh" was stamped on the outside- so back it went on the Team USA
Number_6 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:23 PM
  #6116  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 144 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by markk900
I am in Canada and see shipping charges like that all the time - I assumed that was unique to me! However, looks readily available anyway....
Ok, I apologize. When I look at the ad in US ebay it says $4.99 shipping. I didn't realize that the extra high shipping was just for shipping to Canada.

Man, those kind of rates really suck.

Reminds me of a joke my father used to tell. Over and over.

Every day the guy goes across the border on his bicycle with a bag of sand. Every day, the border agent looks through his sand for contraband and finds just sand. Finally, when the border agent is about to retire, on his last day, he says to the guy, "every day for the last twenty years you've been coming across the border with a bag of sand and every day I search it and find nothing. You've got to tell me, on my last day, you've got to tell me, what have you been smuggling."

The answer in my father's joke, was, of course, bicycles. Perhaps the updated joke answer would be kickstands.
desconhecido is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 05:36 PM
  #6117  
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,643
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 624 Times in 330 Posts
No worries - but with the loonie tanking (under $.80) and shipping like that it is no wonder I buy stuff from Australia and the UK rather than the US. Even my CR18s and tires cost me almost $50USD ($75 CAD) shipping....
markk900 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 09:28 PM
  #6118  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
did sports and the such come with kick stands or was it a dealer add on ? mine looks a little generic . I'm looking at the 74 sales brochure and i don't see on on the bike .
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 01-31-15, 09:59 PM
  #6119  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 403 Post(s)
Liked 144 Times in 107 Posts
Originally Posted by michaelz28
did sports and the such come with kick stands or was it a dealer add on ? mine looks a little generic . I'm looking at the 74 sales brochure and i don't see on on the bike .
Judging from what I've seen on bikes (though, my experience is not broad and deep, as is the experience of some others here), what's in the catalogs, and what Bandera remembers, I'd guess that it changed over the years and maybe depended on the model. Our 51 appears to have the genuine Raleigh Industries stand, which probably came with the bike, but the 56 I recently acquired has a crappy after market stand and I'm guessing it was probably shipped without and the stand was installed by the dealer. But, of course, this is speculation.
desconhecido is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 12:09 AM
  #6120  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by michaelz28
i got my bike from the original owner with 25 miles on it ...1974 sports if it matters . definitely not alloy though
the top of the clamp is on wrong ... some assembly required ...i fixed it .
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 12:21 AM
  #6121  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
in reality ..
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 12:39 AM
  #6122  
Senior Member
 
Velocivixen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest
Posts: 4,525
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 400 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 26 Posts
Had a nice time at the Society of Three Speeds meeting at Velo Cult tonight. I've never been to one so not sure what the usual turnout is, but tonight there were about 7 people. I met @jyl there too and spent some time catching up. He hosted a fantastic C & V bike ride last summer.

Anyway there was a trivia game and I won some swag! The answers I got were specifically about Sturmey Archer & their 3 speed hubs! The map to the gorge and Portland were free.

Velocivixen with her Phillips Top tube protector from Black Star bags, toe clips, a thermos with an a Sturmey Archer hub diagram and some shaving cream & brush (no, It's not for my mustache!) Here's a map with bike routes to the Columbia Gorge and some nice info on Portland.


I also won a free membership into the Society of Three Speeds. I had to plead my case as to why I should get a free membership. The others had to agree that my reason would suffice. I said that I bought my first 3 speed recently and disassembled/reassembled my dynohub. That must be true love right? I got a card, some pins and other swag for being a member. I even had to take a 3 part oath!

All in all it was a fun evening.

Oh, I almost forgot. I got to see some stunning Raleighs. I got to see two bronze green Raleighs - a Superbe, which had the fork lock/key and a rear wheel lock/key! So lovely. Then I spoke to a fellow about his Raleigh Sport that he bought from the original owner, who maybe rode it 20 miles. The chrome rims were pristine. Really fantastic bike.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
IMG_4837.jpg (101.8 KB, 151 views)
File Type: jpg
IMG_4840.jpg (94.2 KB, 129 views)
File Type: jpg
IMG_4842.jpg (93.4 KB, 121 views)

Last edited by Velocivixen; 02-01-15 at 12:43 AM. Reason: added info.
Velocivixen is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 12:53 AM
  #6123  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Had a nice time at the Society of Three Speeds meeting at Velo Cult tonight. I've never been to one so not sure what the usual turnout is, but tonight there were about 7 people. I met @jyl there too and spent some time catching up. He hosted a fantastic C & V bike ride last summer.

Anyway there was a trivia game and I won some swag! The answers I got were specifically about Sturmey Archer & their 3 speed hubs! The map to the gorge and Portland were free.

Velocivixen with her Phillips Top tube protector from Black Star bags, toe clips, a thermos with an a Sturmey Archer hub diagram and some shaving cream & brush (no, It's not for my mustache!) Here's a map with bike routes to the Columbia Gorge and some nice info on Portland.


I also won a free membership into the Society of Three Speeds. I had to plead my case as to why I should get a free membership. The others had to agree that my reason would suffice. I said that I bought my first 3 speed recently and disassembled/reassembled my dynohub. That must be true love right? I got a card, some pins and other swag for being a member. I even had to take a 3 part oath!

All in all it was a fun evening.
outstanding . i wish i could find 1 person local to school me on these things now that in own a few ( the hubs are english SA, not the bikes ) ..
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 01:15 AM
  #6124  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: hopewell lct NY
Posts: 192

Bikes: 1969 schwinn sting ray 3 speed stick ...1974 raleigh sports

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by michaelz28
in reality ..
and then i see this .. which is it .. perpendicular or parellel.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
$_57.jpg (98.7 KB, 98 views)

Last edited by michaelz28; 02-01-15 at 01:22 AM.
michaelz28 is offline  
Old 02-01-15, 07:17 AM
  #6125  
Membership Not Required
 
wahoonc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Posts: 16,855

Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Do they still make fly paper?

Seriously, no. Highly doubtful.
Yes they still make fly paper. I can buy it at my locally owned been in business for 90 years hardware store. Though I have found that pennies in a ziploc bag full of water do a better job and not nearly as messy.

Aaron
__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
_Nicodemus

"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
_krazygluon
wahoonc is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.