Strange tire marking
#1
Thread Starter
What??? Only 2 wheels?


Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 13,501
Likes: 995
From: Boston-ish, MA
Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10
Strange tire marking
I'm posting this to C&V instead of Bike Mechanics because it is more a reflection of how things were a few decades ago.
Today I replaced some old tires. The one on the front was a Specialized, marked 1-1/8", 110psi. It was noticeably narrower than the Pasela TG 1-1/8" I had put on the slightly narrower rear wheel. Okay, so that just shows that tires can be different even with the same markings.
But then I noticed that embossed on the sidewall was 23-630. Huh? No, it was not a 28 smudged out to form 23. I looked again. It was definitely 23. So what is it supposed to be, I asked myself? Wider than an inch or narrower? When inflated the sidewalls measured about 27mm, what I would have expected.
Curious.
Today I replaced some old tires. The one on the front was a Specialized, marked 1-1/8", 110psi. It was noticeably narrower than the Pasela TG 1-1/8" I had put on the slightly narrower rear wheel. Okay, so that just shows that tires can be different even with the same markings.
But then I noticed that embossed on the sidewall was 23-630. Huh? No, it was not a 28 smudged out to form 23. I looked again. It was definitely 23. So what is it supposed to be, I asked myself? Wider than an inch or narrower? When inflated the sidewalls measured about 27mm, what I would have expected.
Curious.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
#2
www.theheadbadge.com



Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 29,025
Likes: 5,537
From: Southern Florida
Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com
Panaracer sizes relatively truthfully; everyone else simply makes their casings smaller. A Pasela is almost always equal to the next size down in reference to the 27" tires:
27x1" = everyone else's 27x1-1/8"
27x1-1/8" = everyone else's 27x1-1/4"
27x1-1/4" = everyone else's 27x1-3/4"
-Kurt
27x1" = everyone else's 27x1-1/8"
27x1-1/8" = everyone else's 27x1-1/4"
27x1-1/4" = everyone else's 27x1-3/4"
-Kurt
#3
Thread Starter
What??? Only 2 wheels?


Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 13,501
Likes: 995
From: Boston-ish, MA
Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10
Yeah, but... The curiosity was not the real size but the contradictory markings. The multi-colored label was correct, more or less. The number embossed in the sidewall wasn't even close. Given that Specialized was one of the first companies to come out with high-pressure narrow clinchers (as far as I remember it) I won't blame them for being aggressive with the specs. But you'd've thought they could be more consistent.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
#5
aka Tom Reingold




Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 44,302
Likes: 6,559
From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Perhaps the 1-1/8" marking means that's the approximate inflated width on whatever rim they expect you to use. The ETRTO size (23-630) is measured a specific way. They didn't measure the actual inflated width. They measured the linear distance between the beads of the tire (when flattened out) and divided by 2.5.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#6
Thread Starter
What??? Only 2 wheels?


Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 13,501
Likes: 995
From: Boston-ish, MA
Bikes: 72 Peugeot UO-8, 82 Peugeot TH8, 87 Bianchi Brava, 76? Masi Grand Criterium, 74 Motobecane Champion Team, 86 & 77 Gazelle champion mondial, 81? Grandis, 82? Tommasini, 83 Peugeot PF10
That was measured outside sidewall to sidewall with a caliper. It is of course approximate. I wasn't trying to match marking to actual size. I measured it only because it was visibly smaller than the 1-1/8" Pasela on the rear, so I wanted to compare them to check my perception. I didn't notice the contradictory markings until days later.
__________________
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
Real cyclists use toe clips.
With great bikes comes great responsibility.
jimmuller
#7
curmudgineer
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,417
Likes: 113
From: Chicago SW burbs
Bikes: 2 many 2 fit here
Panaracer sizes relatively truthfully; everyone else simply makes their casings smaller. A Pasela is almost always equal to the next size down in reference to the 27" tires:
27x1" = everyone else's 27x1-1/8"
27x1-1/8" = everyone else's 27x1-1/4"
27x1-1/4" = everyone else's 27x1-3/4"
-Kurt
27x1" = everyone else's 27x1-1/8"
27x1-1/8" = everyone else's 27x1-1/4"
27x1-1/4" = everyone else's 27x1-3/4"
-Kurt
#8
multimodal commuter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 19,810
Likes: 597
From: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
For what it's worth, I have a pair of Michelin tires that are labeled both 27 x 1 and 27 x 1 1/8.
Oh, and I have one, I think it's a Continental, that's labeled both 700 x 28 and 27 x 1 1/8, but that's just an obvious ****-up (it's a 700c tire).
Oh, and I have one, I think it's a Continental, that's labeled both 700 x 28 and 27 x 1 1/8, but that's just an obvious ****-up (it's a 700c tire).
#9
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,930
Likes: 5
From: Toronto (again) Ontario, Canada
Bikes: Old Bike: 1975 Raleigh Delta, New Bike: 2004 Norco Bushpilot
I'm posting this to C&V instead of Bike Mechanics because it is more a reflection of how things were a few decades ago.
Today I replaced some old tires. The one on the front was a Specialized, marked 1-1/8", 110psi. It was noticeably narrower than the Pasela TG 1-1/8" I had put on the slightly narrower rear wheel. Okay, so that just shows that tires can be different even with the same markings.
But then I noticed that embossed on the sidewall was 23-630. Huh? No, it was not a 28 smudged out to form 23. I looked again. It was definitely 23. So what is it supposed to be, I asked myself? Wider than an inch or narrower? When inflated the sidewalls measured about 27mm, what I would have expected.
Curious.
Today I replaced some old tires. The one on the front was a Specialized, marked 1-1/8", 110psi. It was noticeably narrower than the Pasela TG 1-1/8" I had put on the slightly narrower rear wheel. Okay, so that just shows that tires can be different even with the same markings.
But then I noticed that embossed on the sidewall was 23-630. Huh? No, it was not a 28 smudged out to form 23. I looked again. It was definitely 23. So what is it supposed to be, I asked myself? Wider than an inch or narrower? When inflated the sidewalls measured about 27mm, what I would have expected.
Curious.
23-630 would be the ISO tire size, the inner width of the rim is 23mm and the bead seat diameter of the rim is 630mm. ISO tire sizes are based on the size of the rim the tire fits, not the physical size of the tire, which would be about right for a 27" x 1¼" inch tire. Newer tires should have both marked on them, which the tires you have probably are.
Sheldon Brown says more here









