Paramount info...simply add..
03-15-13 | 06:14 PM
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Bikes: 1978 Schwinn Para0mount P15-9, 1984 Schwinn "Rainbow" Paramount, 1990 Waterford Paramount, 1991 Waterford Paramount
03-15-13 | 06:47 PM
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Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge
It. Is. Alive!
Gotta love the resurrection of zombie threads!
OK, I'll play - I've got three Paramounts: each from a different decade - 1966, 1972, 1989. The 1966 P-13 was raced, according to the previous owner and still sports the original non-standard paint. I'm not sure that is correct - it looks like a very high quality dealer repaint, or similar, from way back in the day. The frame is a 60cm. The 1972 came to me in pretty rough condition from another forum member. I repainted it myself and created new graphics along the way; it has very non-standard components. The frame is a 58cm. The 1989 is a Waterford built PDG model; it's also a 60cm.
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Gotta love the resurrection of zombie threads!
OK, I'll play - I've got three Paramounts: each from a different decade - 1966, 1972, 1989. The 1966 P-13 was raced, according to the previous owner and still sports the original non-standard paint. I'm not sure that is correct - it looks like a very high quality dealer repaint, or similar, from way back in the day. The frame is a 60cm. The 1972 came to me in pretty rough condition from another forum member. I repainted it myself and created new graphics along the way; it has very non-standard components. The frame is a 58cm. The 1989 is a Waterford built PDG model; it's also a 60cm.
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1989
03-15-13 | 07:10 PM
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I have a '92 PDG OS, from Japan. Repainted when i got it and I also re-painted it. I took most of the components from my 78 Schwinn World for it, but it has 105 headset, shifters, and calipers. And 600 tricolor hubs with Araya CTL 370 rims. Ultimately I'd like to complete the 105 group. I find it to be a magnificent ride; light and quick.
03-15-13 | 09:48 PM
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03-15-13 | 09:51 PM
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I have a '92 PDG OS, from Japan. Repainted when i got it and I also re-painted it. I took most of the components from my 78 Schwinn World for it, but it has 105 headset, shifters, and calipers. And 600 tricolor hubs with Araya CTL 370 rims. Ultimately I'd like to complete the 105 group. I find it to be a magnificent ride; light and quick.
03-15-13 | 10:41 PM
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Bikes: 1985 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, 1978 Schwinn Super Letour 12.2, Schwinn Paramount PDG 50, 1992 Schwinn Paramount PDG 3, Sears ToteCycle in the works
As Robbie well knows, I just picked up the same year Paramount as his (92), only it's a OS-3. Nearly 100% original. It still has all the RX-100 groupo. The bike was filthy but is now almost presentable. Sorry no pics. It has the same decals as Robbie's except it says "3" were his says "2". It's a metalic blue with red specs dotting the frame. It's a tad heavy for a high end bike, but both Robbie and I attribute that to the RX-100 and the Araya wheelset. It's a pretty bike and I'm sorry I don't have pics.
I brought it into the LBS last week to have the pedals removed (stem and seatpost were easily removed, but the pedals were locked in place, go figure). They fawned over it. Everything stopped while the employees and shop owner gave her the once over. BTW, the shop I went to is very C&V freindly. One of the mechanics didn't like the specaled paint from that era. But his comment was, "Hey, it's a Paramount, who cares about the small stuff". Well said.
I brought it into the LBS last week to have the pedals removed (stem and seatpost were easily removed, but the pedals were locked in place, go figure). They fawned over it. Everything stopped while the employees and shop owner gave her the once over. BTW, the shop I went to is very C&V freindly. One of the mechanics didn't like the specaled paint from that era. But his comment was, "Hey, it's a Paramount, who cares about the small stuff". Well said.
Paint close-up:
03-16-13 | 05:11 AM
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I've had a 1992 PDG Paramount OS Series 2, OS Series 7, and now an '86 Paramount. I've mentioned in another thread that I found the lugwork on Waterford-built versions to be finer, along with better decals. The OS models were excellent rides, especially with modern wheels and lighter components. I doubt the OS 7 is that much less, handling-wise, than the '86, but I figure the SLX has to have an edge over the Tange OS.
The 7 was a favorite of mine for centuries, but I'm sure the folks in Waterford in '86 will have had their say, and fairly soon.
The 7 was a favorite of mine for centuries, but I'm sure the folks in Waterford in '86 will have had their say, and fairly soon.
03-16-13 | 07:27 AM
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03-16-13 | 01:02 PM
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Edit : It also has a cyclone GT rd. It doesn't like index shifting, so I've had to re-learn friction for the rear. I like it.
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03-16-13 | 01:04 PM
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It's my understanding that the PDG 3, 5, 7 were the same frame, outfitted with different components. correct me if I'm wrong.
03-16-13 | 02:44 PM
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The Series 7 and Series 5 were made by National/Panasonic in Japan; the Series 3 and Series 2 were made initially by A-Pro (Taiwan) and production was later moved to mainland China.
03-16-13 | 02:46 PM
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Robbie, I love the '86 Waterford, and the 7700 group is perfect on that frame IMHO.
03-16-13 | 02:57 PM
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03-16-13 | 02:59 PM
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I took a family portrait a few montha ago. In the foreground is a 1940 Wastyn built track bike from the first generation "early years." Next is a 1972 chrome P15-9 from the second generation "classic period", and finally is a 1987 Standard from the third generation "Waterford period."
03-16-13 | 05:10 PM
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The components I already had. The color happens to be my favorite, for a bike, for a shirt, for whatever. My concern is never for "period correct", etc. My concern is for what I like to ride.
Edit : It also has a cyclone GT rd. It doesn't like index shifting, so I've had to re-learn friction for the rear. I like it.
Edit : It also has a cyclone GT rd. It doesn't like index shifting, so I've had to re-learn friction for the rear. I like it.
i like the friction option on my older bikes-- the early index shifters, now with 20 years of wear and tear, get a little wonky, and friction is just easier sometimes
03-16-13 | 05:21 PM
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I took a family portrait a few montha ago. In the foreground is a 1940 Wastyn built track bike from the first generation "early years." Next is a 1972 chrome P15-9 from the second generation "classic period", and finally is a 1987 Standard from the third generation "Waterford period."
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03-16-13 | 06:05 PM
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What the heck; it's the spritual descendent of Paramounts.
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03-16-13 | 07:39 PM
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That is an incredibly beautiful bike and incredibly beautiful craftsmanship.
03-16-13 | 09:26 PM
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03-16-13 | 10:15 PM
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The components I already had. The color happens to be my favorite, for a bike, for a shirt, for whatever. My concern is never for "period correct", etc. My concern is for what I like to ride.
Edit : It also has a cyclone GT rd. It doesn't like index shifting, so I've had to re-learn friction for the rear. I like it.
Edit : It also has a cyclone GT rd. It doesn't like index shifting, so I've had to re-learn friction for the rear. I like it.
03-17-13 | 10:42 AM
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I have nothing to contribute, other than to say it's fueling an N+1 inch...oh, and beautiful Paramounts, folks!
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03-17-13 | 04:06 PM
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I am with you. Wanted a Paramount since I was a wee boy, finally got one at 46 a 1978 P-15 and I could not be happier. Now if I could just find an 82 Elite...I could die an happy man. 