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Old 07-12-10 | 12:13 PM
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I don't mean to say this is a Gazelle at all. Gazelles are most often seen with a Bocama long point style lug. I was simply using that as an example of the fact that dutch makers don't seem to have a tubing loyalty.
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Old 07-12-10 | 12:18 PM
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I don't mean to say this is a Gazelle at all. Gazelles are most often seen with a Bocama long point style lug. I was simply using that as an example of the fact that dutch makers don't seem to have a tubing loyalty.
Okay,, i understand! thx for the clarification
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Old 07-12-10 | 12:52 PM
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Diamant maybe? Just throwing out a manufacturer that always seemed to have unique characteristics and it's from the right region. I definitely agree with the mid-90's sentiment.
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Old 07-12-10 | 01:07 PM
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Look down the head and seat tube if you see "rifling", if you do, it's an SLX!

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Old 07-13-10 | 05:05 AM
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Look down the head and seat tube if you see "rifling", if you do, it's an SLX!

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Could not see any "rifling" down the head and/or seat tube.
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Old 07-13-10 | 07:12 AM
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being in the netherlands and having an english bottom bracket could probably point to it being a dutch bike. Being dutch, I would not rule out the tubes being columbus as there does not seem to be a tube loyalty among dutch makers (i.e. the rumored columbus SL seat stays on some Gazelle AA R. 531 framed bikes).

my guess... low-volume, dutch maker. And this is just a guess nothing more.
This is a pretty good guess. I have a Duell frame from the 90's that has Columbus tubing and an english Bottom Bracket.
Don't get to hung up on it being Columbus just because the seller said that it was. He could possibly be mistaken. Unless you get an ID the tubing will likely always be a mystery, an accurate weight would help.

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Old 07-13-10 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by junkfoodjunkie
This is a pretty good guess. I have a Duell frame from the 90's that has Columbus tubing and an english Bottom Bracket.
Don't get to hung up on it being Columbus just because the seller said that it was. He could possibly be mistaken. Unless you get an ID the tubing will likely always be a mystery, an accurate weight would help.

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Just weight the frame at 1962 gram.
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Old 07-17-10 | 03:43 AM
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Just check the frame and fork to indentify some characteristics of the tubeset.
I can see that at the fork end of the steerer tube on the inside of the tube looks to be rifled and also shined a flashlight down the seattube and could see there's no obvious seam in the tubing.

Also indentified that i bird was stamped on the tube of the fork aswell as "spinner" was stamped on it.

Maybe this will help to indentify the used tubes.
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Old 07-17-10 | 07:24 AM
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A well-fed dove stamped into the steerer tube is Columbus' signature; “spinner” doesn't mean anything to me. I think that Columbus rifled the steerer tubes on several different tubesets. If the seat tube has rifling at the lower (thicker) end -- should be able to feel it, or see with flashlight -- then that means the seat tube is SLX tubing. But the bike could be SL as well (earlier), or some later tubeset, considering the arrowhead lugs and vertical rear dropouts. 1962 g is quite light for the frame only. I have a couple Columbus frames, of somewhat larger size, that weigh in the 2000-2100 range. You've done very well!
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Old 07-17-10 | 09:01 AM
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Tried to make a picture of the bird, which is stamped:


Also "spinner" was stamped on the tube of the fork aswell:
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Old 07-17-10 | 10:07 AM
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not a Columbus dove...and Spinner is a Chinese (IIRC) brand of forkends (which you got here) and other bits. I think you have a modern fork here (note the" lawyer's nubs" )
edit: I stand very corrected...Dutch not Chinese! But you know how easy it is to confuse those two nationalities, so it's a common mistake.

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Old 07-17-10 | 11:30 AM
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Spinner is a Dutch bicycle accessory brand...
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Old 07-17-10 | 08:00 PM
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To the earlier suggestion that it might look like a Bob Jackson, the SN isn't consistent with their numbering, so it ain't a BJ. Other than that, I got nothin'.

Other than to say that it's obviously a high-end frame, and if you have a chance to grabs its 61cm brother for 50 euro, take that chance and run. And then tell me how much you want for it plus shipping, because I ride a 61, and it would fit VERY well in my current stable, which includes a BJ, a Scapin, and an Austro-Daimler.
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Old 07-17-10 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
A well-fed dove stamped into the steerer tube is Columbus' signature; “spinner” doesn't mean anything to me. I think that Columbus rifled the steerer tubes on several different tubesets.
Columbus steer tubes were rifled since at least the 1960s, but rifled seat and down tubes only appeared with SLX in the mid 80s. The steer tube dove stamp looks like this:

Other tubes on older Columbus frames may also show this stamp; later tubes (early 80s and on) were marked by a graphite electrode instead.
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Old 07-18-10 | 12:06 PM
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Made a new picture, now with macro feature.

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Old 07-18-10 | 01:28 PM
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guess we need an ornithologist...but that looks more like a pigeon than a dove...
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Old 07-18-10 | 03:50 PM
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maybe it's a bat!
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Old 09-06-10 | 12:47 PM
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Just received the frame back after complete new paintjob.

https://yfrog.com/jmdsc7689yj

Now trying sort things out what can fit on this bike
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Old 09-07-10 | 01:59 PM
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Anybody have any idea what kind of adapter is used in the below image:



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Old 09-19-10 | 07:45 AM
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Finished building up the bike.

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Old 09-19-10 | 10:28 AM
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Buy it! (OMG, the 61 fits me...)
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Old 09-19-10 | 11:49 AM
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Buy it! (OMG, the 61 fits me...)
Will need to check if still has the other one for sale!
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Old 09-19-10 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 5cagm
Diamant maybe? Just throwing out a manufacturer that always seemed to have unique characteristics and it's from the right region. I definitely agree with the mid-90's sentiment.
5, I was just about to suggest the same based on the botom bracket shell and rear drops of this Diamant in this recent thread: Diamant frame/fork
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