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triplebutted 02-24-11 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12274848)
Personally, I would refund his money if and only if he filed a police report.
(Most scammers have an MO they like to repeat, and filing Police reports is not a part of it.)

That's a great idea. I'm gonna remember this if it ever happens to me.

himespau 02-24-11 04:16 PM

Thanks guys, I'm not saying he said I packed it incorrectly, but if he suggested that, I'm not buying it in the slightest due to the cut tape. It really seems like there was theft somewhere along the line because of the cut tape, it seems like there is theft involved somewhere. I would like to subtly suggest he get the police involved without outright accusing him because it looks like it was left at his house at 2 according to the "tracking" info that I have and may have been left unattended for several hours. The post office where I grew up wouldn't do that and I had to go to the post office to pick stuff up and while that was a pain in the ass, for safety reasons it was much preferable.

himespau 02-24-11 05:06 PM

Sent this to the buyer:

Originally Posted by himespau (Post 12275076)
You know _____, I was talking with several other bikeforums members and they pointed out that the tape on the edge of the box was cut and not torn from your pictures. That would imply that someone actually removed the contents rather than it being damaged in shipping. Sounds like while the package was outside your house waiting for you to come home someone got into it. Given that removal or tampering with someone’s mail is either mail fraud or theft of the mail which is a federal crime either way, sounds like it might be time to talk to the police about someone stealing your mail. Of course it is possible, though less likely that someone did it at the post office, but again, that’s still the same crime.

Sound like a non-accusatory first step in asking for a police report before giving a refund?

YoKev 02-24-11 05:11 PM

nicely played

seedsbelize 02-24-11 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by YoKev (Post 12275339)
nicely played

+1

himespau 02-25-11 09:04 AM

This was what I got back from him, so I guess it's time to call the post office and then encourage him to call the cops.

Originally Posted by dude who got the package
That's what I was also thinking from the condition of the box but it was locked inside a parcel storage so nobody could have stolen unless as you said it was someone at the post office
I really don't know what I should do about this


rhm 02-25-11 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 12277989)
I guess it's time to call the post office and then encourage him to call the cops.

Yup.

cudak888 02-25-11 09:14 AM

What's his definition of a "parcel storage?"

-Kurt

himespau 02-25-11 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 12278036)
What's his definition of a "parcel storage?"

-Kurt

Apparently, it's some sort of postal locker according to the post office when I called them.

himespau 02-25-11 11:30 AM

My most recent e-mail to the recipient

Originally Posted by himespau (Post 12278696)
I just called the post office in _____, and talked to the letter carrier. He said the box looked partially damaged, but was still heavy and had stuff inside when he put it in your drop box (that it definitely wasn’t empty). Sounds like someone may have taken advantage of it after that point and completed the opening and removal process. If that’s the case, it really sounds like you should contact the police about theft of your mail.

Sounds like the box was partially damaged in the mail, but the letter carrier said it wasn't empty, so maybe I should offer a partial refund? I really don't feel like just giving in and giving a full refund, but it's starting to seem like that might be easier especially as they did indicate there being some damage to the box.

Roger M 02-25-11 11:33 AM

I agree with some of the above responses. If he agrees to get the police involved, then offer a partial refund(after the police have responded)

rhm 02-25-11 11:41 AM

If it happened in his home, and he files a police report, it may be covered under his homeowner's insurance. If there's a deductible, I guess it's only fair to offer a partial refund... but I think you should (continue to) drag your feet about that.

himespau 02-25-11 11:41 AM

Does anyone know the fee structure for insurance from usps? I can't find it online. I have a bunch of saddles I (stupidly) bought because I wanted to try a number of different ones to find one that fit. Now that I have, I want to sell the rest (where this problem initiated). So in the future, I'd like to insure them when I send them, but want to be able to figure that into the cost of shipping. Let's say they sell for $30-40. Are we talking $3-4 or more or less? Thanks so much.

tugrul 02-25-11 11:48 AM

USPS - Insurance Prices

himespau 02-25-11 11:53 AM

Ah, your search abilities far outstrip my own. I searched and found myself in some pointless FAQ's that were full of info about forms, but lacked that crucial fee structure. Guess I'm just an idiot, thanks.

Picchio Special 02-25-11 12:42 PM

I once shipped a pair of wheels to Texas, using USPS at the insistence of the buyer. A month later, the box arrived, intact, with one wheel in it. No joke.

Homebrew01 02-25-11 01:25 PM

Perhaps someone else has a key to his mailbox ? Landlord ? former tenant ?

Pars 02-25-11 01:35 PM

How do the postal clerks put the mail into them... keys?

himespau 02-25-11 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 12279125)
I once shipped a pair of wheels to Texas, using USPS at the insistence of the buyer. A month later, the box arrived, intact, with one wheel in it. No joke.

how the heck does that happen?

ColonelJLloyd 02-25-11 01:39 PM

I have had several problems with UPS and FedEx ground. I can't recall having one with USPS Priority.

rhm 02-25-11 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 12279421)
how the heck does that happen?

How indeed! I once mailed a draft of my dissertation to my my advisor, who was puzzled to receive a biology text book in the mail from me. Same size, different contents!

I'm not blaming anyone but myself, here: I hadn't done a good packing job. I learned (eventually).

Wogster 02-25-11 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 12279125)
I once shipped a pair of wheels to Texas, using USPS at the insistence of the buyer. A month later, the box arrived, intact, with one wheel in it. No joke.

Most shipping problems are the fault of the shipper. Not saying it was in your case or the OP, but in most cases it is, let me pass on a few hints.

If shipping several items, wrap the items together in heavy plastic, tape that closed, use bubble wrap if the items are at all fragile. Select the proper sized box, this should be at least 5cm (2") larger in all dimensions then your plastic wrapped package. If there are any shipping labels or bar codes, they should be peeled off or marked out with a marker. Use shipping peanuts, put a 5cm base in the bottom, put the package on top, and add more peanuts, gently shake the box to get the peanuts to settle, add more peanuts, you want the peanuts to be well settled, the number of peanuts should be slightly more then it takes to fill the box, in other words to close the box, it should take just under the same effort as to close a quick release. Before you close the box, add a sheet of paper that has the name, address and telephone numbers of the shipper and receiver and a description of the contents. Tape the box closed, now shake the box, if you hear any sound from inside, open it and add more peanuts, and try again. Apply another layer of tape, lengthwise, but go all the way around the box, turn it 90 degrees and repeat. Remember tape on a package is like grease on a bicycle bearing, using more then you need is better then less then you need. If the box was used before, tape all the seams and edges. Now apply your shipping label, then using clear packing tape, put a layer over your label so that it overlaps, but the label is still readable. If the carrier adds their own label like UPS and FedEx do, this gets applied to the unmarked side of the box. If the carrier offers insurance, then get the insurance, this should only be considered a backup, because you packed the box to not need it. If your not willing to take your box and have a soccer goal keeper score on the opposite net with it, then it's not packed well enough.

Picchio Special 02-25-11 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Wogsterca (Post 12279566)
Most shipping problems are the fault of the shipper. Not saying it was in your case or the OP, but in most cases it is, let me pass on a few hints.

Always good to share tips.
But in my case, I am a very experienced shipper, who has sent many bikes, frames, and parts without incident - including to Japan, Singapore, etc. The wheels were in an actual wheelbox, plenty reinforced to prevent hubs from gouging through the box (a pet peeve). It was very carefully and well-sealed.
The buyer reported that it arrived sealed and undamaged! This was why he refused at first to believe I had actually sent him both wheels. I reported the weight the box had been assigned when I mailed it, and he subsequently weighed it himself, and he finally believed me when it weighed less!
It probably sat and sat somewhere in route (as I said, it took a month to get there). Perhaps I was the victim of a theft and the thief left one wheel in the box and retaped it so as not to arouse suspicion. Or - perhaps more likely - the box was opened at some point as part of some kind of random Homeland Security inspection, and the lost wheel simply didn't make it back into the box.
I'm not sure I would have believed it myself, until it happened to me - and until I told the story and it turned out some folks had even weirder things happen to their own packages. But no way it resulted from poor packing.


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