Thanks scoop...given my opinion on your taste, high praise.

Mathauser page on Velobase.

That's a sweet brace of C&V you've got there. Going for that Sachs appeal?

I actually titled my first sachs thread sachs appeal.

Indeed... May you enjoy many happy miles on the both of 'em!

Beautiful bike(s) Aaron, just amazing! I recall seeing ads for the Eclipse gear in cycling magazines, possibly in the early 80s. Their bags looked quite nice as well, but I've never owned either and have no first-hand experience.

Did I mention how gorgeous those bikes are?

The best thing about them ....... they look like you intend to ride them.
In my humble opinion that makes them most memorable.

love it! How long are those chain stays anyway?

Holiday - I bet you never thought you'd see a Sachs that fit your style I still can't believe none of you bought the Sachs from Tom, but I don't know how much he wanted and I do agree that it was less aesthetically pleasing.

I'm measuring them at just over 44cmmmmmmmmmmm. I THINK there's clearance, barely for fenders, if I run 28s. The bike has 32s and there is plenty of room for more tire without fenders.

Wildwood - I'm intending the Sachs tourer to be ridden...mostly as a town bike/commuter, which is what I wanted the International to be, it just was never what I wanted. I'd also like to try some distance rides with it, though that action typically goes to my Marnati or Koga - depending on the ride.

I do ride the Sachs road bike, but probably not as much as I should - I have too many nice bikes and I tend to ride the newest stuff most often.

Chris, Shane, Tugrul - thanks much! I've been casually looking for a sports tourer (you might remember I went close to going for a Gitane) and this fits PERFECTLY. I'm so glad that Gitane didn't work out - this was about the same price and I wouldn't have had the cash in hand (not after shelling out for the Look).

Good looking bikes!

How sweet it is.
Me likey.

I'm surprised
the Velobase page makes no mention of the fact that those pads are glued on the "holders" (which may not hold) and with age and heat I'd be very leery of actually using them to stop. Some people say they've never had a problem (yet), while others say they debond at inconvenient times. I'd reserve them for show only...I sold the set I had and never regretted it.
Had some Eclipse pannier, too but never had the rack to fit them...such is the lot of the bike part horder!
Nice pair of pearl-handled dueling Sachs, now I have to look up "Atmo" and figure out why he uses it more than any other word!

As to my opinion...it's his catch phrase.

There is currently a set of bags on ebay and a rack. Doesn't seem too difficult

Thanks much for the pad warning...I figured I'd change them as I don't trust any older brake pads.

^ I'll take those pads off your hands

I made nearly $180 for this set on Ebay back in 2008. No joke. Testors enamel was used in the cooling channels. If you do something similar, you might get a good bit of your money back:



Those twins are gorgeous. I'm looking forward to a thread comparing the two while pointing out the specific differences. I think it would be a 5-star rated thread (if we could still rate threads)! The previous owner must not have put many miles on that baby - she looks nearly brand-new and it's obviously original paint and decals. What a fine time machine.

DD

Now those are *gorgeous* bikes! So you weren't messing with is after all when you posted the message about something completely different. Congratulations man!

Drillium - you are an artist. Wow!

I would imagine these bikes ride nothing at all alike. The weight is quite different - the angles and rear end are VERY different...

The workmanship is the same and the paint is pretty similar. I think the interesting comparison will be how this rides compared with the Raleigh Intl...and maybe the Koga. I hate comparing anything to the Koga as I am utterly in love with that bike. I'm going to throw a Brooks sprung saddle on it I think, I've wanted to use one since trying Scott's.

The Eclipse rack shows up in my 1980 Palo Alto catalog as well as my 1983 Performance catalog. It is very high quality; in 1980 a Blackburn rear rack was $19.98 (silver) and the Eclipse was $27.50. MetinUz is correct in that the slide setup only allows for Eclipse panniers. There's a Slide Mount Conversion Kit also listed in the Palo Alto catalog that allows for hook/spring type panniers. This kit only cost $2.50, so it might be something you could find out there.

The 1980 catalog only shows the center-mount rack, however your seat stay mount version shows up in the 1983 catalog. By 1983 the rack was going for $33.95 (silver).

Probably more info than you needed, huh?

DD

Oops. I should've been more specific - what I meant was differences in frame build/geometry/details. You noted one difference in your comparison of the rear brake bridges. That's what I meant to convey.

DD

I follow. I've looked hard and spotted two other differences. I'll photo tomorrow. I dont think getting those bags is going to be a problem...I've found a source cheap!

Ooh - good deal. I myself have been looking for a light-blue handlebar pannier by Eclipse similar to one PastorBob has on one of his rigs. If your source happens to have one of those, I'd be interested in obtaining it. Please PM me if so; thanks!

DD

Will do!

if you guys have pics of these panniers I'd be happy to attempt a repop.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_500wt_1216

I think the trick is the side rails on the bags matching the rack.

ok not a chance, those are freakin complicated.