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If AC/DC had a cat...
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I remember when I saw James Bond Tomorrow Never Dies and thought the Pryce character was an exxagerated Murdoch. As it turns out, Murdoch was an exaggerated Pryce.
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Heck, we're in good spirits now - don't spoil it 
And just to get us back on the flat tarmac of pertinent discussion from the descent of off-topic Foo, I present the following words of wisdom - to be preceded by the name Alberto or Faliero as your preference may be:

-Kurt

And just to get us back on the flat tarmac of pertinent discussion from the descent of off-topic Foo, I present the following words of wisdom - to be preceded by the name Alberto or Faliero as your preference may be:

-Kurt
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Since it is a '78, sure it isn't 126mm? Just cuz he's running an Ultra FW doesn't necessarily mean it is 120mm...
Maybe the OP should measure it. If it is 126, then putting 130mm for modern 9/10/11 speed in wouldn't require cold setting.
Maybe the OP should measure it. If it is 126, then putting 130mm for modern 9/10/11 speed in wouldn't require cold setting.
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Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Sometimes I do notice myself staring at my college age Nephew's Giant CF (TC--something) bike in our garage when he is not around. I entertain the thought of sneaking it out for a quick ride to find out what's so hot about it, but then I realize it just looks all wrong to me with it's compact, tail dragger geometry, ginormous 11(?) speed FW, brifters and angular, upturned looking ergo bars......and my head will most likely explode even before one first pedal stroke..........I just shake my head and slowly back away from the bike.....
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Masi still makes steel bikes...so I suppose they'd be the modern version of yours. Check out the Speciale Strada https://www.masibikes.com/steel/speciale-strada/ I'd rather have your '78 though.
If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.
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No frame building experience, but I cold set my Gazelle from 120 to 130. I was always under the assumption that 120 to 130 merited a cold set while 126 to 130 could be pulled off just by cramming the other wheel in. In all my reading it seemed like a fairly common practice...
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No. Masi in North America today has absolutely no connection with the Masis (California and Italian built) of the 70s and 80s. The rights to use the Masi name in North America were sold to the BMX company Haro and all modern production is designed by Haro and built in Asia.
If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.
If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.


I knew about the CA connection but not the BMX one.
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rather it be a panini.
OP, Even though it's a Masi GC, only 1 bike in 35 years?!? What's wrong with you man!?! Someone fill him in on N+1.
rather it be a panini.
OP, Even though it's a Masi GC, only 1 bike in 35 years?!? What's wrong with you man!?! Someone fill him in on N+1.
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Thanks guys...yes, a few frame buiilders I talked with (Richard Sachs, PJ Weigle, Ben Serotta) advised against cold setting a Gran Crit. Some looked at it, dubbed it a Confente Masi and said I should never touch the frame, short of having to replace a tube. An attraction of IF is they use stainless steel. I was impressed with their workmanship and the idea of not having to worry about the frame rusting inside out. Don't know about the ride, but have heard raves. Anyone have opinions on stainless, and other builders who use it? In 35 years will I be having the same conversation about hard-to-find parts--but the frame will be as sturdy as the Masi's?
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I'd heard that about ss racks, but Tubus has them listed with the same weight limits as the regular racks.
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I know, and it sounds like he wants to buy a new bike. If it were me, however, which it isn't of course, I'd save that new bike money and put some of it into the Campy parts he's having trouble finding, they're available, and put that Masi back on the road ...and save a couple of grand in the process.
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I smell a Troll.......
Not being able to find parts for the bike at a reasonable cost is just hogwash...... There are tons of SR and NR parts available to rebuild any bike, and as far as his concern about cost...... Well, like I said before, if he's looking at Independent Fab bikes money is no concern.
Not being able to find parts for the bike at a reasonable cost is just hogwash...... There are tons of SR and NR parts available to rebuild any bike, and as far as his concern about cost...... Well, like I said before, if he's looking at Independent Fab bikes money is no concern.
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Not being able to find parts for the bike at a reasonable cost is just hogwash...... There are tons of SR and NR parts available to rebuild any bike, and as far as his concern about cost...... Well, like I said before, if he's looking at Independent Fab bikes money is no concern.
No offense to the OP intended.
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No. Masi in North America today has absolutely no connection with the Masis (California and Italian built) of the 70s and 80s. The rights to use the Masi name in North America were sold to the BMX company Haro and all modern production is designed by Haro and built in Asia.
If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.
If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.
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Grand ole Italian marque Masi sold out to a BMX maker??! Really??! Haro??! I didn't know that!.....Uhmmm....not that there's really anything wrong with most bikes made today in most "developed" Asian countries....

I knew about the CA connection but not the BMX one.
Chombi


I knew about the CA connection but not the BMX one.
Chombi
https://bhovey.com/Masi/Nationality.htm is a reasonable explainer of the USA production or USA controlled production.
Roland Sahm of Elixir Industries leased the name and production/sales rights of Masi for the US market in 1972 or so. Royalties to be paid to Italy.
Late 1973 production in Carlsbad started.
That facility closed up late '77 or early '78
Production continued but at a very slow pace by Ted Kirkbride, Eisentraut, Lippy and a bit later at "the Ranch" Sahm's residence.
It picked up again in 1980 with production at two facilities for a time, various notable builders.
Rene Moser was running/repping the operation beginning in 1977 or 78, my memory is not perfect. A bit later the management was under Masi World Wide out of Colorado. Rene Moser was still involved for a time.
Ted Kirkbride has been involved to some degree the longest in the USA.
In the 90's Torelli Imports had responsibility for Masi in the USA.
That relationship ended at some point.
Ted either bought or was assigned control of the brand for a time and he assigned or sold it to Haro, from best of my sourcing.
Haro does not build bikes per se, they did have Denny make a small batch of 25 3V's a few years ago. Other than that the production has been all offshore.
My assumption is that as the name was originally under a long term lease/license in the original deal that scuttled the sale to Rexart in 1977 or so, that unless there was a re-negotiation of terms with Masi in Italy that underlying all that has transpired over time is that basic agreement. Who "owns" that agreement? I do not know. I would bet Sahm's Trust at the core.







