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Old 10-02-11 | 05:25 PM
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Pug with Integrated Lighting System?

I picked this up a couple days ago (sorry for it still being dirty), and have never seen a Pug like it. The lighting cables travel from the front light and route through the downtube where they exit above the bb and plug into the ESGE fender. The strip of center steel in the fender conducts to an upper plug (the wire does not run on the underside of the fender) where it exits and runs to the dynamo. The rear light is directly connected to the center strip of the fender and has no wires.

The front light still works! But, the rear is not.....

I've sen this on higher end old French bikes, but not on a middle of the road production bike?. Tubing is carbolite 103. Wheels are 700c Rigida/Maillard. All in all, it's a very nice, light, fast little bike.

So, was this stock from the factory, or an aftermarket kit? If stock, was it built for the European market? There is a bracket for the dynamo on the seat stay, so it was definitely intended to have lights. But, were the fenders modified or stock?

Pugophiles, please weigh in!

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Old 10-02-11 | 05:34 PM
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No idea whether the fenders are original, but that's a very cool bike. If it's got Sachs-Huret derailleurs, you may find the date stamped on them. My Peugeot with the same paintjob, tubing, and crankset was a 1984.
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Yep, got a Peugeot mixte a month or so ago. Similar set up, rail for the generator on the inside seatstay. Mine was missing the tail light and the tires were so hard it could barely turn the generator with the headlight loading it. Wiring is the same as yours. Has a rear rack. 27" wheels. Not a Peugeot expert by any means, but everything looks stock. I think it might have been a Euro model brought over to the US.
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Old 10-02-11 | 06:01 PM
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I have an '82 PH65 (French version) wired the same way.
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Old 10-02-11 | 06:36 PM
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Miamijim will be the best to say whether the bike has the original fenders or not. Looking at the way the fenders are finished, I think they are the OEM fenders. Nice ladies bike!
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Old 10-02-11 | 06:39 PM
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Yep, got a Peugeot mixte a month or so ago. Similar set up, rail for the generator on the inside seatstay. Mine was missing the tail light and the tires were so hard it could barely turn the generator with the headlight loading it. Wiring is the same as yours. Has a rear rack. 27" wheels. Not a Peugeot expert by any means, but everything looks stock. I think it might have been a Euro model brought over to the US.
As I understand it, if your bike has 27" wheels it was made for the US market. If it has 700c wheels, then it is non-US market. I'm not a Peugeot expert by any means, but others on the forums have informed me that is the general rule with Pugs.
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Old 10-02-11 | 07:37 PM
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Great info! Especially about the 27" vs. 700c.

She may be a bit run of the mill, but I'm thrilled with her...
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Old 10-02-11 | 07:43 PM
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Pretty sure those are Dural fenders - original equipment on a number of Peugeots of the era.
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I picked this out of a metal scrap yard. It looks like the same model as the OP's, maybe a year off or two. This one has the same lighting, but the wiring is run along the bottom of the downtube with bendable brazed on tabs. The wires were run inside the fenders, pinched into the lip from the factory.



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Originally Posted by photogravity
As I understand it, if your bike has 27" wheels it was made for the US market. If it has 700c wheels, then it is non-US market. I'm not a Peugeot expert by any means, but others on the forums have informed me that is the general rule with Pugs.
100% wrong.

Plenty of Europeoan models were spec'd with 27" wheels. The primary key to ID'ingthe OP's bike is the overall specificaion, by the mid 80's U.S. model were NOT available with fenders, racks and generator sets. Odds are the OP'sbike is European (probably U.K.) spec PH18 varant.

Check the serail number ansd componen date codes for a production timline.
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Old 10-03-11 | 05:12 AM
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Wiring is common like that on many a French and Dutch bike, even at the very low end. Nothing special, they could do it easy in the factory. It's a ***** to do it yourself so home mechanics and LBS install a wire on the outside ("draadje buitenom" in general parlance here) when the first one gives up the ghost. They are universally hated for getting snagged and broken all the time in the bike rack, especially because it always seems to happen at the moment the police starts another crackdown on cyclists without lights after dark.
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Old 10-03-11 | 06:22 AM
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100% wrong.

Plenty of Europeoan models were spec'd with 27" wheels. The primary key to ID'ingthe OP's bike is the overall specificaion, by the mid 80's U.S. model were NOT available with fenders, racks and generator sets. Odds are the OP'sbike is European (probably U.K.) spec PH18 varant.

Check the serail number ansd componen date codes for a production timline.
See Jim, if you had spotted this thread sooner, I would have been spared some embarrassment.

I think that the basis for the statement I made was related more specifically to the early 70s Peugeots. Context may help here.
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Old 10-03-11 | 07:46 AM
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Cool stuff. I've never paid much attention to the more utilitarian Pugs, so it's new to me. I picked this up to overhaul and give to my uncle as a present. He's been riding the heck out of an old cottered, steel-wheeled piece of gas pipe the last couple years, and this would be a much better ride for him. He's about 76, so he might appreciate the step-through frame.

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Old 10-03-11 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Italuminium
It's a ***** to do it yourself
That's an understatement.









As others have said, integrated wiring was common among even low-end French and Dutch bikes. My wife's low-end Dutch step-through has it (although not as nicely executed as my own DIY ):



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