What a dilemma!
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how is the finish on the Scapin? it looks funky in the pics like maybe peeling or something. I have an odd attachment for Scapin and I would have to go for that!
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Bob Jackson or PX-10. I wouldn't worry about a bike being french as difficult to work on or find parts. That's nonsense.
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Thanks to all of you for your time, comments, recommendations, and advice. I sincerely appreciate it. Even though it pains me to turn down what could have been an awesome and unforgettable BJ, I have decided not to get it. It is not as if I'm going to miss it, as I've never had one before, so I have nothing to compare it with! :-) I was married for nine years, and my ex wife never gave me a BJ. She thought that it was not lady like.....for a woman to give a guy a gift! I will pass up on this one, but will keep my fly open just in case one is offered to me out of the blue! I will definitely be getting one in the future, but this one didn't capture my heart. I think I know what it is. It is because I already drooled over the ones with the nice jugs, I mean lugs! :-) I know all of you love your BJ, and were pushing me to get one, but I have decided to go for the Scapin. I'm more into racing, and this bike does have the geometry, and the look. The campy group appears to be Victory, and that is what I will scream when I get my first BJ in the future! :-) Thanks again!
P.S., if I could get two, it would be the Scapin and the PX-10. The Px-10 seems more for nastalgic reasons, as I was born in 70.
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P.S., if I could get two, it would be the Scapin and the PX-10. The Px-10 seems more for nastalgic reasons, as I was born in 70.
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Woops, didn't read your last post. Hope you enjoy the ride.
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They all look nice, as the variety of answers attest. The Scapin, Jackson, and Falcon look like they have tighter, stiffer geometry, whereas the Pug will likely have a softer ride. It also has fender eyelets and no doubt larger tire clearance. What would you use it for? I think the PX-10 is the most versatile and would make the best all-rounder, and the other 3 are pure racers for fast rides on good roads.
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Bob Jackson definitely the first choice - sheer class, superbly built frames. Second the Scapin, looks like a nice ride and the chrome is attractive. Third the Falcon, it's one of the better 531 models and newer a. Last the Pug - a lot of work and IMHO the quality was never that good.
The real answer is ride all of them round the block and see which feels best.
The real answer is ride all of them round the block and see which feels best.
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Ah, we're on to the post-play analysis. Peugeot quality not good? My PY-10 is veeeery similar to a PX-10, and it's the nicest ride I've had. And I've ridden the bikes of olympic medalists! Fume!
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Much as I love my PX10, my Bob Jackson far, far outrides it. I used to have a Falcon San Remo and it looked pretty cool but fell short of either one.
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Thanks to all of you for your time, comments, recommendations, and advice. I sincerely appreciate it. Even though it pains me to turn down what could have been an awesome and unforgettable BJ, I have decided not to get it. It is not as if I'm going to miss it, as I've never had one before, so I have nothing to compare it with! :-) I was married for nine years, and my ex wife never gave me a BJ. She thought that it was not lady like.....for a woman to give a guy a gift! I will pass up on this one, but will keep my fly open just in case one is offered to me out of the blue! I will definitely be getting one in the future, but this one didn't capture my heart. I think I know what it is. It is because I already drooled over the ones with the nice jugs, I mean lugs! :-) I know all of you love your BJ, and were pushing me to get one, but I have decided to go for the Scapin. I'm more into racing, and this bike does have the geometry, and the look. The campy group appears to be Victory, and that is what I will scream when I get my first BJ in the future! :-) Thanks again!
P.S., if I could get two, it would be the Scapin and the PX-10. The Px-10 seems more for nastalgic reasons, as I was born in 70.
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P.S., if I could get two, it would be the Scapin and the PX-10. The Px-10 seems more for nastalgic reasons, as I was born in 70.
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Tough call: but here's my 2 cents.
The Peugeot will have the best chance to retain value over time, but requires the most work to make roadworthy and will take more upkeep. It's definitely got a nice ride but might be more "garage queen" than daily rider (especially if it's a Trek 620 replacement). Parts-wise, looks to only need seatpost and saddle...but that's from one pic.
The Scapin will have a classic Italian ride and looks flash, but is not the top model (lower-end Campy gruppo is the give-away) and so might be an Aelle frame. Nothing wrong with an Aelle frame, but affects perceived value and resale. Seatpost is scary-high.
Falcon does not move me, looks mid-grade and nothing particularly "Trathlete" about it AFA I can tell except for the decal. Might be a fine 531 bike, but if that's what i wanted I'd choose the...
Bob Jackson, except that it bothers me: no braze-ons and longish (Zeus?) dropouts says it's an early frame that's been repainted/decaled. But that fork does not have a classic bend, it could be a replacement (collision?). Maybe I'm all wrong but that bike I'd sniff around very carefully before buying.
Edit: Heck I'm late to this thread, looks like you've decided already for the Scapin...frankly it's the one I'd choose based only on the pics.
The Peugeot will have the best chance to retain value over time, but requires the most work to make roadworthy and will take more upkeep. It's definitely got a nice ride but might be more "garage queen" than daily rider (especially if it's a Trek 620 replacement). Parts-wise, looks to only need seatpost and saddle...but that's from one pic.
The Scapin will have a classic Italian ride and looks flash, but is not the top model (lower-end Campy gruppo is the give-away) and so might be an Aelle frame. Nothing wrong with an Aelle frame, but affects perceived value and resale. Seatpost is scary-high.
Falcon does not move me, looks mid-grade and nothing particularly "Trathlete" about it AFA I can tell except for the decal. Might be a fine 531 bike, but if that's what i wanted I'd choose the...
Bob Jackson, except that it bothers me: no braze-ons and longish (Zeus?) dropouts says it's an early frame that's been repainted/decaled. But that fork does not have a classic bend, it could be a replacement (collision?). Maybe I'm all wrong but that bike I'd sniff around very carefully before buying.
Edit: Heck I'm late to this thread, looks like you've decided already for the Scapin...frankly it's the one I'd choose based only on the pics.
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For what it's worth, check out other Bob Jacksons of the era: most of the examples I've seen also don't have the classic fork bend (at least not like, say, a Peugeot, which is what I think you mean by "classic bend.") I won't say it hasn't been repainted btw, just that the fork probably isn't the telling factor for the late 70's/early 80's Bob Jackson builds, which I suspect this example is. Of course this is all academic now that the OP has chosen a bike. Meanwhile, please feel free to send that old Bob Jackson to me!
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I'm thinking something like this:
Although this is an earlier rather than late '70s Jackson product, but it also has Zeus dropouts and no TT cable guides or shifter bosses... things which I'd expect to see on a BJ of late '70s early '80s vintage, along with a fork having that "modern" bend.
I'll look at more examples of BJs from that era: academic exercises don't bother me.
Although this is an earlier rather than late '70s Jackson product, but it also has Zeus dropouts and no TT cable guides or shifter bosses... things which I'd expect to see on a BJ of late '70s early '80s vintage, along with a fork having that "modern" bend.
I'll look at more examples of BJs from that era: academic exercises don't bother me.
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Jackson!! It's yellow!
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Well, I chose braces for my daughter! :-) My ex-wife hit me with the news that my daughter was going to need braces, so instead of trading the 1985 Trek 620, I decided to sell it to the same gentleman that had expressed an interest in trading for the nice bikes that he has. thanks to all for your recommendations, suggestions, comments and great advice. I appreciate it.
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