Pelizzoli Frames
03-01-12 | 02:47 PM
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Pelizzoli Frames
So, as i've been looking more and more into getting a nice steel frame, I found out that Giovanni Pelizzoli, or Ciocc, is still making bikes, and they're not that expensive.
www.pelizzoliworld.com
So far they have good reviews, and i think they're even available in old-stock Columbus SL. I wanted a Ciocc in the first place - but they go on ebay for around $1000, and they're all 80s frames, so they don't have 130mm rear spacing.
I thought, how awesome would it be to get a custom bike from the man himself?
I emailed the shop yesterday morning, and I havent gotten a response. Anyone know what's going on with them? I'm considering emailing them again but I don't want to be all stalker ex-girlfriend about it.
www.pelizzoliworld.com
So far they have good reviews, and i think they're even available in old-stock Columbus SL. I wanted a Ciocc in the first place - but they go on ebay for around $1000, and they're all 80s frames, so they don't have 130mm rear spacing.
I thought, how awesome would it be to get a custom bike from the man himself?
I emailed the shop yesterday morning, and I havent gotten a response. Anyone know what's going on with them? I'm considering emailing them again but I don't want to be all stalker ex-girlfriend about it.
03-01-12 | 02:54 PM
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Also check out Daniele Marnati if you can't get through to Ciocc...you'll likely need an intermediary due to language barriers, but he's as talented as anyone out there.
03-01-12 | 02:56 PM
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Be patient - remember there's a time difference! Also, they are probably too busy painstakingly building beautiful frames to check the computer every day. Try writing a letter?
03-01-12 | 03:35 PM
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obviously i would not risk a communication error landing me with a bad frame.
what's Daniele Marnati's story?
03-01-12 | 05:43 PM
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03-01-12 | 05:50 PM
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in fact, my family has been using some Italian word in dialect - it sounds like "chooch" phonetically. my parents don't know how to spell it, but they use it like an affectionate way of calling someone stupid...hard to explain.
the calabrese dialect kind of muddies regular Italian.
if it turns out they've been calling me ciöcc all these years...
03-01-12 | 06:24 PM
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Funny this was posted today.
I was just at the shop and there is a Corsa GP being built with Athena 11.
We were impressed with the attention to detail, especially at the pricepoint.
Checking the PW site, he has some other beauties coming this year.
The Aeta, an XCR stainless frameset.
The Giovanni 98, a Max frameset. A special customer frame, but maybe a special order?
and the gorgeous Curdamo.
I was just at the shop and there is a Corsa GP being built with Athena 11.
We were impressed with the attention to detail, especially at the pricepoint.
Checking the PW site, he has some other beauties coming this year.
The Aeta, an XCR stainless frameset.
The Giovanni 98, a Max frameset. A special customer frame, but maybe a special order?
and the gorgeous Curdamo.
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03-01-12 | 09:51 PM
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03-01-12 | 09:52 PM
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I don't have much to go on, I realize, but Ciocc is my first choice. I see the guy, the way he talks and acts, and I see my own relatives.
in fact, my family has been using some Italian word in dialect - it sounds like "chooch" phonetically. my parents don't know how to spell it, but they use it like an affectionate way of calling someone stupid...hard to explain.
the calabrese dialect kind of muddies regular Italian.
if it turns out they've been calling me ciöcc all these years...
in fact, my family has been using some Italian word in dialect - it sounds like "chooch" phonetically. my parents don't know how to spell it, but they use it like an affectionate way of calling someone stupid...hard to explain.
the calabrese dialect kind of muddies regular Italian.
if it turns out they've been calling me ciöcc all these years...
03-01-12 | 10:02 PM
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03-01-12 | 10:45 PM
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Funny this was posted today.
I was just at the shop and there is a Corsa GP being built with Athena 11.
We were impressed with the attention to detail, especially at the pricepoint.
Checking the PW site, he has some other beauties coming this year.
The Aeta, an XCR stainless frameset.
The Giovanni 98, a Max frameset. A special customer frame, but maybe a special order?
and the gorgeous Curdamo.
I was just at the shop and there is a Corsa GP being built with Athena 11.
We were impressed with the attention to detail, especially at the pricepoint.
Checking the PW site, he has some other beauties coming this year.
The Aeta, an XCR stainless frameset.
The Giovanni 98, a Max frameset. A special customer frame, but maybe a special order?
and the gorgeous Curdamo.
03-01-12 | 10:52 PM
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I'm a little surprised he parted with $$$, but at some point every crappy old aluminum bike needs to get farmed out.
I'll ask him to shoot a pic or two tomorrow.
Unusual light minty green color with creme accent panels.
As for their website, they have a new Columbus Spirit version of the Corsa GP on its way.
This replaces the old SL framed Corsa GP.
I'll tell you one thing though, they could have probably sold three of those older Corsa GPs while we were standing there gawking at it.
03-01-12 | 10:55 PM
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Who knows how these things work. I sent them an email last summer and they responded in an hour.
They sent a paint chip pronto, but my wife couldn't decide if she wanted one of these or not.
Still can't.
The Corsa we had quoted was less than $1,000 btw.
03-02-12 | 01:17 AM
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Italian friends of mine have stated that the bargain basement price was tied to the fact that Pelizzoli had a reasonable good supply of inexpensive old SL tubesets. A savings that he has passed upon to consumers. The same friends have also said that these are not to be confused with CIOCC bikes past or present (whatever that might mean).
03-02-12 | 04:25 AM
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Italian friends of mine have stated that the bargain basement price was tied to the fact that Pelizzoli had a reasonable good supply of inexpensive old SL tubesets. A savings that he has passed upon to consumers. The same friends have also said that these are not to be confused with CIOCC bikes past or present (whatever that might mean).
Not a bad ride, when all elements are brought together by the right hands.
We thought it would be fun to have one built up to her (wife's) spec, but never got around to it.
She decided to continue along with her current bicycle.
03-02-12 | 08:22 AM
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Well, they got back to me:
So, its about $1100 for the Curdomo (columbus SL, one paint choice, non-custom) and $1500 for a completely custom Spirit frameset. These prices are amazingly low compared to american framebuilders. I definitely want to choose my own paint, I want internal brake routing, and I would like a 1"1/8 HT so i can use modern forks and threadless stems.
The goal here is classic italian steel with modern components. I ride a Cervelo S2 - I want something aggressive and race-able, but with the qualities of steel (e.g. more lively and comfortable without being noodly).
I have some questions for you guys.
This is a Corsa GP. Damn!
Anyway, the CURDOMO is a standard frame, with SL tubing, coming in size ( 48-50-52-54-56-58-60)it' s an handicraft job, a few fine details, coming with classic brake-cable routing, 1" threadless steel fork, with only drop outs and fork ends chromed, with our company' s color paint ( red and white) for 850€
The CORSA GP new model, it' s coming with Spirit oversize tubes, lugged, silver f16 welding. Only in custom sizes, studied form Giovanni for your specific body measurements, it' s completely customizable, cable routing, gear bosses, derailleur, and if you don' t like to much the classic style, it could be fillet brazed welded, new drop outs model, 1"1/8 head tube, so all that you want. It' s on sale for 1.100€ with steel double plate crown fork ( the MASI model) with chromed standard parts.
We have 70 days of waiting time.
Ship one of them in USA cost 100€ with fast shipment ( insurance and tracking included )
To start the order we have to receive the deposit payment ( 50% of total) on our bank account or paypal ( need add 4% for service fee)
The CORSA GP new model, it' s coming with Spirit oversize tubes, lugged, silver f16 welding. Only in custom sizes, studied form Giovanni for your specific body measurements, it' s completely customizable, cable routing, gear bosses, derailleur, and if you don' t like to much the classic style, it could be fillet brazed welded, new drop outs model, 1"1/8 head tube, so all that you want. It' s on sale for 1.100€ with steel double plate crown fork ( the MASI model) with chromed standard parts.
We have 70 days of waiting time.
Ship one of them in USA cost 100€ with fast shipment ( insurance and tracking included )
To start the order we have to receive the deposit payment ( 50% of total) on our bank account or paypal ( need add 4% for service fee)
The goal here is classic italian steel with modern components. I ride a Cervelo S2 - I want something aggressive and race-able, but with the qualities of steel (e.g. more lively and comfortable without being noodly).
I have some questions for you guys.
- Spirit or Stainless?
- Brazed or lugged?
- By gear bosses, is he referring to frame pumps and panniers?
- What does he mean by "derailleur" as an option?
- What other options should I look into?
This is a Corsa GP. Damn!
03-02-12 | 08:51 AM
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Don't forget to add duty and shipping to the cost, plus bank costs for payment. Whereas it does frequently happen that you don't get dinged for duty, from a purely legal point of view you are liable for duty and should the shipper request payment you will need to pay for it.
03-02-12 | 08:55 AM
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Don't forget to add duty and shipping to the cost, plus bank costs for payment. Whereas it does frequently happen that you don't get dinged for duty, from a purely legal point of view you are liable for duty and should the shipper request payment you will need to pay for it.
03-02-12 | 09:11 AM
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He may be talking about a replaceable derailleur hanger, as he used on the Giovanni 98.
Gear bosses may refer to DT bosses allowing DT shifters or cable stops to be used, as opposed to brazed cable stops at the HT.
If you are set on 1 1/8, don't bother with a steel fork (reduced price I assume) as they are HEAVY in 1 1/8 generally. Outfit it with a Reynolds/Alpha/Enve/Serotta painted to match.
See if they will send it by EMS/Post/TNT and NOT by FedEx or UPS...you will most likely not incur customs charges then.
If you are interested in a lugged Spirit frame, you may want to check out this guy as well: https://www.forestaframes.com
If you are looking for reasonably priced fillet brazed, check out Meech: https://meechcustombikes.blogspot.com/
Gear bosses may refer to DT bosses allowing DT shifters or cable stops to be used, as opposed to brazed cable stops at the HT.
If you are set on 1 1/8, don't bother with a steel fork (reduced price I assume) as they are HEAVY in 1 1/8 generally. Outfit it with a Reynolds/Alpha/Enve/Serotta painted to match.
See if they will send it by EMS/Post/TNT and NOT by FedEx or UPS...you will most likely not incur customs charges then.
If you are interested in a lugged Spirit frame, you may want to check out this guy as well: https://www.forestaframes.com
If you are looking for reasonably priced fillet brazed, check out Meech: https://meechcustombikes.blogspot.com/
03-02-12 | 09:19 AM
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He may be talking about a replaceable derailleur hanger, as he used on the Giovanni 98.
Gear bosses may refer to DT bosses allowing DT shifters or cable stops to be used, as opposed to brazed cable stops at the HT.
If you are set on 1 1/8, don't bother with a steel fork (reduced price I assume) as they are HEAVY in 1 1/8 generally. Outfit it with a Reynolds/Alpha/Enve/Serotta painted to match.
See if they will send it by EMS/Post/TNT and NOT by FedEx or UPS...you will most likely not incur customs charges then.
If you are interested in a lugged Spirit frame, you may want to check out this guy as well: https://www.forestaframes.com
If you are looking for reasonably priced fillet brazed, check out Meech: https://meechcustombikes.blogspot.com/
Gear bosses may refer to DT bosses allowing DT shifters or cable stops to be used, as opposed to brazed cable stops at the HT.
If you are set on 1 1/8, don't bother with a steel fork (reduced price I assume) as they are HEAVY in 1 1/8 generally. Outfit it with a Reynolds/Alpha/Enve/Serotta painted to match.
See if they will send it by EMS/Post/TNT and NOT by FedEx or UPS...you will most likely not incur customs charges then.
If you are interested in a lugged Spirit frame, you may want to check out this guy as well: https://www.forestaframes.com
If you are looking for reasonably priced fillet brazed, check out Meech: https://meechcustombikes.blogspot.com/
03-02-12 | 09:37 AM
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I am not at liberty to discuss specific pricing of my Marnati...but it was VERY affordable compared to even low priced new American frame builders. I'm honestly not sure how he was able to sell it at that rate and it's clearly a labor of love. Some of this has to do with currency and exchange rates. To answer your question, Daniele Marnati is a 2nd generation frame builder working in Milan. Both of the Marnatis worked as mechanics to teams and built frames with other decals on them...I've seen about 10 frames (in person) baring Marnati decals now and I haven't seen one I didn't find distinctive and beautiful.
I'd go with lugged Spirit myself.
I did something somewhat similar with my bike, except I kept it vintage/classic in a few areas (bars, stem and seat post). Frame is Columbus MAX. This is an older photo and it's a little different now...
I'd go with lugged Spirit myself.
I did something somewhat similar with my bike, except I kept it vintage/classic in a few areas (bars, stem and seat post). Frame is Columbus MAX. This is an older photo and it's a little different now...
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03-02-12 | 09:58 AM
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I am not at liberty to discuss specific pricing of my Marnati...but it was VERY affordable compared to even low priced new American frame builders. I'm honestly not sure how he was able to sell it at that rate and it's clearly a labor of love. Some of this has to do with currency and exchange rates. To answer your question, Daniele Marnati is a 2nd generation frame builder working in Milan. Both of the Marnatis worked as mechanics to teams and built frames with other decals on them...I've seen about 10 frames (in person) baring Marnati decals now and I haven't seen one I didn't find distinctive and beautiful.
I'd go with lugged Spirit myself.
I'd go with lugged Spirit myself.
Why choose Spirit?
03-02-12 | 10:04 AM
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I like more modern, OS, lighter tubesets (especially the OS part). I do think the progressions in steel make for a great ride.
Daniele works from a small shop in Milan...he does not have a website. I can show you photos of his shop and where he makes the bikes (it's a small garage sized workshop behind his store).
Daniele works from a small shop in Milan...he does not have a website. I can show you photos of his shop and where he makes the bikes (it's a small garage sized workshop behind his store).