By no means are you starting a green battle, as far as I'm concerned. I hadn't really thought about it in this light. You may have at least partially changed my mind on CO2. Your comments are enlightening.

That is the Seattleite in me coming out...

We each of us have our own orbit.

BTW, those CO2 cartridges made real good oxygen tanks for my GI Joe dollies when I was a kid. I used to tape them together in threes and fours and strap them on to my little diver figures for those long range underwater sabotage missions!....
So, I was green even back then with those things. Too bad kids today don't seem to have as much imagination to do such things anymore....

Chombi

and those little white plastic things that came on pizza to keep the lid off it became tables for the gi joes to plan their missions.

In the 80's, we called it "appropriate technology." Non-violent, efficient production, usefulness without using a lot of fossil fuel energy or noise, and either long-lasting or able to be recycled in an efficient manner....don't get me started on the Prius....

But hey, after ordering the Topeak from Jensen USA, I saw a black one I liked, a NOS Zefal, so I bought that, too, for 16.87. Total purchases, including shipping, $36. I know I've used that much in cartridges and have at least that much in inflators.....

I think I'm going to go back to the attic and get my VHS of Small Soldiers.

UPDATE: The movie is still funny, and I keep catching things the dismembered Barbies are saying.....

I got the Topeak Road Master Blaster frame pump in today. I like it a lot. Nice rubberized ends, nice metal tube. Matches my Cinelli nearly perfectly, and still looks good on the Kestrel.

Even though it's a large, I sort of wish it was a bit longer, so it would be compressed more while mounted under the Cinelli's top tube. Looks like it may wiggle a bit. I deflated the tires and pumped them up to "difficult." Put them back on the floor pump, one was 117psi, one was 111psi.

Glad you like. As for length, it has a very strong spring so coming off the frame due to bouncing isn't likely. Didn't yours come with a Velcro security strap? That strikes me as the best thing since sliced bread when it comes out mounting a pump safely.

So are these modern frame pumps better and easier than the old favorites? I still have my Silca (w/metal Campy head), and while it works fine, is a chore to pump something up to 120psi (sew-up). That said, I carry CO2 carts and an inflator. The one time I needed to use it, I only had 1 cart with me, and the tube was shot, so phone call

I can see where changing a tube (or patching one) it would still be handy to have the frame pump for slight inflation of the tube while remounting the tire, etc. though.

Yep, it had the strap, which I'll use; there will be a "getting used to" time period, as far as appearance....

The Zefal came yesterday, and was a mistake on my part. Appears to be designed for a mountain bike, and nowhere near as well made as the Topeak. It's a Mt. Zefal, and a much lower end model, I'm sure, than the ones listed on this thread. Which explains the 8.99 auction win...

I have a Zefal MTB pump, short but with a thick barrel, that can pump up to some substantial amounts. on my modern roadie and mtb it fits nicely in the front triangle, and the fat body nicely matches the oversize frame tubes. Out on the alan, I just put it in my back pocket. It sticks out a bit. I don't mind. The weight is less of an inconvenience then I suspected.

It is hard to beat the old Zefal HP but the Topeak Road MB is better or at least as good. Pumping 100+lbs will always be a chore but the two settings make it faster to get the main volume of air in the tire, and then easier to top off.

The Road Morph mounting bracket can also be screwed to a pair of water bottle braze-ons. I think that it's a good-looking pump that's quite effective and easy to use. I have a vintage Silca with Campy head, but I've never gotten the hang of using it without doing violence to presta valve stems -- I much prefer a pump with a fold-out step-on tab and a hose, like the Road Morph. Oh, and a gauge, if your eyes are better than mine ("Do you mind reading my gauge for me? Thanks, sweetie.").

Should I keep this pump or should I trash it, saw off the pump pegs and go to CO2?

Brian

My pump trails.... Best was my old Zefal Liotto frame pump, plastic, high pressure, wore out after only 18 years.... But then at my bike reawakening I decided to go small but not CO2 (that does not mean I will not migrate to them eventually but I have never used them)...

Main thing is I wanted to keep everything in my tool bag so that when I switch bikes I just carried everything over (I ride in a state park so I almost carry enough stuff for touring)...

Crank Brothers Power Pump I cannot use, to complicated for me and I loose air at disconnect (maybe just me cause I have seen others use it just fine)...

Layzine Micro, Fine pump, no loss of air at disconnect Shrader/Presta keep track of your "O" rings...

But now the best one I have used is the Bontrager its a double pull push pump with a quasi built in gauge and eventually you can get up to pressure and disconnect without loss of air... Fits in my tool bag!!!

https://www.totalcycling.com/a-z/pump...FaRdtgodDHMAdw

I'm using the Road Morph on my touring bike for that reason because it has 3 sets of water bottle bosses, so I have it mounted under the downtube. However, on my other bikes I need both sets of bottle cages for water. I'm not willing to ride with just one water bottle except for short distances.

Oh man, brilliant modification! I love the idea of that seatpost/tire pump. How well does that one function for you?

The Silca is 7 grams lighter at 132g. And yes Randy it does fit nice and tight in the rear triangle.

I have no idea whether that pump is any good, but I wouldn't saw off the pegs if the bike has any value. Another pump may fit there, but more importantly, you'd be destroying some original feature of the frame that can't be undone. Even if you carry CO2 a functional pump that can get, say, 80lbs is a nice backup, and useful to put a bit of air in the tube when first installing the tire over the rim.

I once watched a guy fix a flat with a CO2 cartridge only to see it pop again because the tube was pinched between rim and tire, so he had to do it again. I have no idea how many times you can do that with a cartridge, but a pump never stops giving.

It works as a fill it up to keep going pump, but higher than 85 lbs is pretty much impossible. It wasn't modified, looks to be original. See elsewhere in this thread, someone else here knows more about it than I do...

Is it really as good as the Zefal? Because that's impressive.

I have a mini pump and just started carrying it. I've used it twice on the road and am not satisfied. It's too darned hard to get the tire beyond 40 psi, which doesn't feel safe to ride on.

However, I have succeeded in hiding it in my seat bag. The head screws off, which makes the longer portion quite short.

But I think I'll go back to my old Zefal.

This is my seat bag. I'm extremely happy with it.

I'm kinda surprised that no one has mentioned this:

https://www.parktool.com/product/dial...ame-pump-pmp-5

I've used one for a couple of years now and found that it makes friends on large group/charity rider,

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I really like the way mine looks, and works great too.