Playing hide-the-pump
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Playing hide-the-pump
Well, my Zefal Competition had a catastrophic failure; considering it's almost as old as one VP nominee, I guess that's OK. I wanted to replace it and a friend really recommended something called the Topeak Morph Turbo, so i bought one and it showed up yesterday. looks like it's well made, reasonably light, and will hit serious pressures.
But it's not C&V. Before ordering, I figured it, being so short, could stuff inside my underseat tubular carrier (have not ridden tubulars in many years) along with the spare tube, tire irons, etc. Alas, the bag is eleven inches long, the pump almost fourteen. Anyone seen something underseat that might accommodate the pump? Not looking for a touring bag here, I don't carry much else.
My friend suggested I simply fabricate some Zefal decals for the new pump.
But it's not C&V. Before ordering, I figured it, being so short, could stuff inside my underseat tubular carrier (have not ridden tubulars in many years) along with the spare tube, tire irons, etc. Alas, the bag is eleven inches long, the pump almost fourteen. Anyone seen something underseat that might accommodate the pump? Not looking for a touring bag here, I don't carry much else.
My friend suggested I simply fabricate some Zefal decals for the new pump.
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I have seen some new pumps so small in diameter they fit inside the seatpost tube!
this I am considering as I really dont like to see the pump on my vintage bike.
this I am considering as I really dont like to see the pump on my vintage bike.
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If it really bothers you, you could always make a sleeve for it out of cloth or leather, and cinch that under the saddle bag. Something that long might look odd there, though. I'm not sure it would be an improvement over just fitting the pump in the frame.
I use Zefal Hpx pumps for the most part. They don't look vintage either, but that's a small price to pay for a pump that functions well. I prefer a pump over CO2 but that's kind of an obvious alternative that is easily hidden.
I use Zefal Hpx pumps for the most part. They don't look vintage either, but that's a small price to pay for a pump that functions well. I prefer a pump over CO2 but that's kind of an obvious alternative that is easily hidden.
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I usually carry CO2, two cartridges are plenty and it fits into a tool roll or small bag. Plus it's faster and easier than a pump.
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I have a Zefal HPX on my main road bike. It's just an updated version of the HP. I chose not to put one on my '88 Prologue, however, since I ride a short frame and a pump under the top tube interferes with my operating the downtube shifters. I put a silver and black hurricane mini pump on that, with the bracket clipped to the DT bottle cage. Not vintage looking, but not blatant either.
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My experience with the small pumps (6" and shorter) are that they usually cannot inflate a tire to full pressure despite claims on some of them that they can go up to 120PSI......
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
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My experience with the small pumps (6" and shorter) are that they usually cannot inflate a tire to full pressure despite claims on some of them that they can go up to 120PSI......
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
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I don't mean to be different, but I've been looking for a good big-ass frame pump for a while.
That's simply what I want.
You'd think someone would make a good one that fits several sizes of bikes,
and doesn't look like my bike is being leg-humped by a Pez dispenser.
That's simply what I want.
You'd think someone would make a good one that fits several sizes of bikes,
and doesn't look like my bike is being leg-humped by a Pez dispenser.
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Please refer to Rule #30:
Rule #30 // No frame-mounted pumps.
Either Co2 cannisters or mini-pumps should be carried in jersey pockets (See Rule 31). The only exception to this rule is to mount a Silca brand frame pump in the rear triangle of the frame, with the rear wheel skewer as the pump mount nob, as demonstrated by members of the 7-Eleven and Ariostea pro cycling teams. As such, a frame pump mounted upside-down and along the left (skewer lever side) seat stay is both old skool and euro and thus acceptable. We restate at this time that said pump may under no circumstances be a Zefal and must be made by Silca. Said Silca pump must be fitted with a Campagnolo head. It is acceptable to gaffer-tape a mini-pump to your frame when no C02 cannisters are available and your pockets are full of spare kit and energy gels. However, the rider should expect to be stopped and questioned and may be required to empty pockets to prove there is no room in them for the pump.
Rule #30 // No frame-mounted pumps.
Either Co2 cannisters or mini-pumps should be carried in jersey pockets (See Rule 31). The only exception to this rule is to mount a Silca brand frame pump in the rear triangle of the frame, with the rear wheel skewer as the pump mount nob, as demonstrated by members of the 7-Eleven and Ariostea pro cycling teams. As such, a frame pump mounted upside-down and along the left (skewer lever side) seat stay is both old skool and euro and thus acceptable. We restate at this time that said pump may under no circumstances be a Zefal and must be made by Silca. Said Silca pump must be fitted with a Campagnolo head. It is acceptable to gaffer-tape a mini-pump to your frame when no C02 cannisters are available and your pockets are full of spare kit and energy gels. However, the rider should expect to be stopped and questioned and may be required to empty pockets to prove there is no room in them for the pump.
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I've got a Lezyne Road Drive mounted to the bottle cage. Will get a tire to 90-100psi but still, I'd rather use the Co2 and be done with it.
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It isn't exactly C&V, but a pump is like a saddle in that its function takes priority. When you have a flat that spiffy C&V pump which fills your tire to 50psi won't seem so spiffy.
The shaft is frosted grayish silver, the handle gray. It comes is several different lengths. The handle has two settings, for normal (i.e. maximum air volume per stroke) and high pressure.

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i would like to hear more about that seatpost pump!
wonder if I can mount up a campy post ina lathe and make the internals for it?!
wonder if I can mount up a campy post ina lathe and make the internals for it?!
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My experience with the small pumps (6" and shorter) are that they usually cannot inflate a tire to full pressure despite claims on some of them that they can go up to 120PSI......
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
Yah, maybe if you spend half the day pumping and tiring yourself out to get it there, but they are only good to get you to "limp mode" riding to find a gas station to top up at best.
Chombi
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I've grown rather fond of this, the Road Masterblaster. Yeah, the name is crappy but fortunately is quite hard to read.
It isn't exactly C&V, but a pump is like a saddle in that its function takes priority. When you have a flat that spiffy C&V pump which fills your tire to 50psi won't seem so spiffy.
The shaft is frosted grayish silver, the handle gray. It comes is several different lengths. The handle has two settings, for normal (i.e. maximum air volume per stroke) and high pressure.


It isn't exactly C&V, but a pump is like a saddle in that its function takes priority. When you have a flat that spiffy C&V pump which fills your tire to 50psi won't seem so spiffy.
The shaft is frosted grayish silver, the handle gray. It comes is several different lengths. The handle has two settings, for normal (i.e. maximum air volume per stroke) and high pressure.


My LeZyne is also pretty terrific but I just keep it in a rear jersey pocket. Easy peasey.
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My preference is a Silca. Its about cubic centimeters (volume) and leverage. Haven't tried the CO2 thing yet.
Anybody know the weight difference between a Silca, with Campy head, and a CO2 package, with two cartridges?
Anybody know the weight difference between a Silca, with Campy head, and a CO2 package, with two cartridges?
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I recently bought a Topeak Road Morph, which gets rave reviews, but it is too short to fit my frames that have pump pegs. It includes a mount that you can zip-tie to one of the frame tubes, but it looks crappy. So I've gone back to using my Zefal HPX most of the time. My Zefal is rather old, however, so I recently ordered a Park Tools frame pump, which is adjustable so it is supposed to fit various size frame. You can still buy Zefal HPX pumps but they are getting hard to find and only seem to be available in silver with black. My old one is all-black. I also carry a CO2 inflator, which is what I generally use for flats, but found out the hard way that a pump is essential for those rare occasions when you get multiple flats.
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So far, the only thing wrong I see with the Topeak pump other than it's non-C&V-ness, is that it's too short to whack dogs (honestly, it has been a long time since I've needed to whack a dog)... here's comes a dozen why-would-you-whack-a-dog posts.
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The only seat post pump I know is the BioLogic one that comes with Dahon folding bikes; diameter of 33.9 mm would seem to rule out most C&V applications. It is a cool idea, though.
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This beauty lives in the right rear pannier of my wife's Peugeot mixte.
A Lezyne micro floor pump.
Super handy in town. We find ourselves fixing flats for folks every so often on the local streets and trails.
Very durable.
I have the one with the metal bracket around the nozzle support and has the pressure gauge included.
Length is 300 mm or about 11.81 inches.
Pumps tires to high pressure if needed.
edit: There is a frame mount included, but there isn't room on the mixte frameset to mount it.
https://www.lezyne.com/products/hand-...r-Drive-HP/HPG

This one lives in my tool roll.
https://www.lezyne.com/products/co2-s...!co2-flex-hose
https://www.lezyne.com/products/co2-s...tors#!Twin-Kit


The only time I get to use it is fixing flats on the supposedly "tough" Gatorskins I had on my Hollands for a while this summer.
A Lezyne micro floor pump.
Super handy in town. We find ourselves fixing flats for folks every so often on the local streets and trails.
Very durable.
I have the one with the metal bracket around the nozzle support and has the pressure gauge included.
Length is 300 mm or about 11.81 inches.
Pumps tires to high pressure if needed.
edit: There is a frame mount included, but there isn't room on the mixte frameset to mount it.
https://www.lezyne.com/products/hand-...r-Drive-HP/HPG

This one lives in my tool roll.
https://www.lezyne.com/products/co2-s...!co2-flex-hose
https://www.lezyne.com/products/co2-s...tors#!Twin-Kit


The only time I get to use it is fixing flats on the supposedly "tough" Gatorskins I had on my Hollands for a while this summer.
Last edited by gomango; 08-23-12 at 07:49 AM.
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Anybody know the weight difference between a Silca, with Campy head, and a CO2 package, with two cartridges?





