Cause for concern?
#26
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Bikes: 70"s Raleigh Superbe, 1959 Murray Vanguard Middle weigh cruiser
A little over-the-top IMHO.
It's always good to be a bit wary, but you have to trust a little, don't you? The re-spray on this frame looks "right". It's certainly no rattle can job. It looks deep, clear coated and the decals are proper for the era. Could he be hiding something? Of course he can. But so can an original frame using lousy pictures. I'd have no qualms buying this frame, although the sellers attitude is a turn-off.
It's always good to be a bit wary, but you have to trust a little, don't you? The re-spray on this frame looks "right". It's certainly no rattle can job. It looks deep, clear coated and the decals are proper for the era. Could he be hiding something? Of course he can. But so can an original frame using lousy pictures. I'd have no qualms buying this frame, although the sellers attitude is a turn-off.
But really my only rule is (and the above rules stem from this one)- If I got to ask questions like the OP's question, then there IS a reason for concern.
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Bikes: Colnago Super, Basso Gap, Pogliaghi, Fabio Barecci, Torelli Pista, Miyata 1400A
Nope, you don't have to trust at all. Granted I'm not a huge seller/reseller....but I've got a whole set of personal rules for buying used/online/CL. Won't meet anywhere but your house/business, won't even look at repaints, check stolen bike lists, etc...
But really my only rule is (and the above rules stem from this one)- If I got to ask questions like the OP's question, then there IS a reason for concern.
But really my only rule is (and the above rules stem from this one)- If I got to ask questions like the OP's question, then there IS a reason for concern.
But that's cool, we all have our way's in this hobby...
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#28
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The seller's response made it clear he doesn't want any "tire kickers".. so oblige him and avoid his sales
#29
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Bikes: 70"s Raleigh Superbe, 1959 Murray Vanguard Middle weigh cruiser
Well, we're supposed to have some fun doing this. It is a hobby after all and I don't feel like running a background check or checking stolen bike lists when I want to buy a bike. For me, it's more about getting a good vibe from a seller, and in the end, this seller gave off a bad one. That was my only turn-off to this frame.
But that's cool, we all have our way's in this hobby...
But that's cool, we all have our way's in this hobby...

But hey who can argue with a "vibe" from an online correspondence.
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From: Queens NYC
Bikes: Colnago Super, Basso Gap, Pogliaghi, Fabio Barecci, Torelli Pista, Miyata 1400A
It's not worth the argument. Have a nice life....
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Last edited by Giacomo 1; 01-05-13 at 12:24 PM.
#32
I've dealt with tracking down stolen bikes for about 20 years and it's best to take each transaction on it's own "vibe". First it is rare that someone even knows the seial number of their bike (I've found that victims losing $200-300 bikes are more prone to know the serial number than those costing $1000s). Also I would never meet anyone at my house; I also don't understand hosting garage/yard sales but I'm pretty paranoid about prople knowing were I live. Saying this, there are a number of red flags with the ebay seller. First is the answer to the OP's question; I don't know any bike restorer that doesn't have before and after pictures; it's to show the quality of their work. There is also the seller, while having 100% positive feedback for 174 auctions, but with only 2 of those was a seller. Finally the seller says; I have been restoring bikes for 15 years and now focus exclusively on Classic Italian Steel Frame-Sets. Many other brands and sizes available; again, no before pictures and the Basso is the first and only bike frame he has put up for auction since 1999! That is an bad vibe one can articulate without meeting the person.
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A little over-the-top IMHO.
It's always good to be a bit wary, but you have to trust a little, don't you? The re-spray on this frame looks "right". It's certainly no rattle can job. It looks deep, clear coated and the decals are proper for the era. Could he be hiding something? Of course he can. But so can an original frame using lousy pictures. I'd have no qualms buying this frame, although the sellers attitude is a turn-off.
It's always good to be a bit wary, but you have to trust a little, don't you? The re-spray on this frame looks "right". It's certainly no rattle can job. It looks deep, clear coated and the decals are proper for the era. Could he be hiding something? Of course he can. But so can an original frame using lousy pictures. I'd have no qualms buying this frame, although the sellers attitude is a turn-off.
Last edited by DIMcyclist; 01-06-13 at 02:31 AM.
#34
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For the ethical, the best solution to set your minds at ease is to check any newly purchased frames against the Registry and- if you're truly ethical- you'll return anything found to be stolen to it's original owner, despite how much you've paid for it.
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