No lover of center pulls.
05-31-13 | 01:58 PM
#77
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The brakes are Universal 61 and the bike is a Motobecane LeChampion repainted many years ago by CyclArt.
Brent
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05-31-13 | 02:38 PM
#78
car guy, recovering
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From: Mount Vernon, NY
Bikes: Olympia Competizione & Special Piuma, Frejus track circa 1958, Dahon Helios, many others
MAFACs on my dear old Frejus. The rear one has a second bridge bolted across the pivot bolts to anchor the prosaic Pletscher rack without damaging the seat stays. It has no effect on braking, which is excellent. The Koolstops are wizard.
More MAFACS, Racer on a 1970ish PX10 and "Dural Forge" on a 1962 Ephgrave which hang in my shop. Both have 4-dot MAFAC pads. Braking is good, but not like the Frejus.
Universal 61 with original pads on a 1968 Cinelli SC. Braking is meh because the pads are old and hard. Haven't really scared myself yet. Until I do, the original pads stay.
I have a lot of side-pull bikes, since Campy side pulls are so nice and the levers fit my hands and feel great. Also, side-pulls work better on track bikes since they don't require a housing stop on the head set.
Then there's this thing which isn't one or the other:
Greatest rim brake ever made.
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05-31-13 | 02:51 PM
#79
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From: Monte Rio CA
Bikes: Motobecane Le Champion, Raleigh International, Bertin, Raleigh DL-1 1980, Colnago Super,Follis, Bianchi Competizione, Brompton M6L, Black Mountain Monstercros
05-31-13 | 03:59 PM
#80
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From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Great pictures. Great stuff, Michael. You can see that I paraphrased a conversation you and I had about sidepulls.
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05-31-13 | 04:57 PM
#81
car guy, recovering
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From: Mount Vernon, NY
Bikes: Olympia Competizione & Special Piuma, Frejus track circa 1958, Dahon Helios, many others
05-31-13 | 06:46 PM
#82
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Bikes: Schwinn Continental, Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn High Plains, Schwinn World Sport, Trek 420, Trek 930,Trek 660, Novara X-R, Giant Iguana. Fuji Sagres mixte.
I'm liking these with v-brake pads and I'd rather set up centerpulls than cantilevers any day.
P4210491 by galoot_loves_tools, on Flickr
P4210491 by galoot_loves_tools, on Flickr
05-31-13 | 07:06 PM
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Let me ask this, braking experts. My Gunnar Sport has medium range caliper brakes, Tektro 730 model. The brakes look nice but their stopping power leaves much to be desired. I have swapped the pads to Kool Stop salmons and that helped, but they are still not up to par with brakes on my other bikes (which have cantis or short reach calipers). Am I likely to see any improvement in braking power by installing some VO Gran Compe centerpulls or mid-reach brakes? How about Shimano Br-R600s? If money were no object, I would get some Paul Racers but a set of them would probably cost me $250 installed -- more than I want to spend.
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05-31-13 | 07:19 PM
#84
car guy, recovering
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From: Mount Vernon, NY
Bikes: Olympia Competizione & Special Piuma, Frejus track circa 1958, Dahon Helios, many others
Let me ask is, braking experts. My Gunnar Sport has medium range caliper brakes, Tektro 730 model. The brakes look nice but their stopping power leaves much to be desired. I have swapped the pads to Kool Stop salmons and that helped, but they are still not up to par with brakes on my other bikes (which have cantis or short reach calipers). Am I likely to see any improvement in braking power by installing some VO Gran Compe centerpulls or mid-reach brakes? How about Shimano Br-R600s? If money were no object, I would get some Paul Racers but a set of them would probably cost me $250 installed -- more than I want to spend.
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05-31-13 | 07:53 PM
#85
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Perfect for the mixte! These are actually Dia-Compe something-or-other, with aftermarket Yokozuna salmon pads (from Riv).
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05-31-13 | 07:53 PM
#86
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05-31-13 | 08:57 PM
#88
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Bikes: Frejus/Bertin/Cannondale
No love from me, & don't ask again! 
Just kidding, but they're low on my list of choices. It really matters if you have all the right parts like cable hangers/stops, in good condition, & I seem to have bad luck in that area. I got my Gran Compe side-pulls dialed in pretty durn good today though, so we can still live in peace & harmony. 
Just kidding, but they're low on my list of choices. It really matters if you have all the right parts like cable hangers/stops, in good condition, & I seem to have bad luck in that area. I got my Gran Compe side-pulls dialed in pretty durn good today though, so we can still live in peace & harmony.
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