The 75th Anniversary Paramount
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The 75th Anniversary Paramount
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Happy to see it is being made by Waterford.
Here is the price sheet.
https://schwinnparamount75th.com/wp-c...P-20130801.pdf
I want to see one with an 80th Campagnolo group.
Here is the price sheet.
https://schwinnparamount75th.com/wp-c...P-20130801.pdf
I want to see one with an 80th Campagnolo group.
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The frame I would choose costs $5,500.00 including the fork and paint. I would say with new components too your looking at another 2,500. No thanks....
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"Cleaner than the ornate 1970′s Nervex lugs"
"Cleaner" is not what I'd want in a 75th anniversary Paramount, verisimilitude is.
Marc should know better than trying to fob off Waterford's "limited edition lugs", which are modern/nice/whatever/who-cares, as in any way superior aesthetically superior to Chicago 70's Paramount's Nervex.
The "groundbreaking OS lugset design of the 1980′s" was nice at the time but it's a Waterford thing not a classic Chicago built P-mount.
Oversized tubing? No thanks, modern 631/725/853 in a standard size would be fine.
Just be honest and say "We can't afford to build them the way they were, but here's something else that's modern & very well constructed that Richard thinks we should market as a Paramount".
Call it something else, "75th Anniversary Paramount" is just nasty to those who owned/own the real thing.
-Bandera
"Cleaner" is not what I'd want in a 75th anniversary Paramount, verisimilitude is.
Marc should know better than trying to fob off Waterford's "limited edition lugs", which are modern/nice/whatever/who-cares, as in any way superior aesthetically superior to Chicago 70's Paramount's Nervex.
The "groundbreaking OS lugset design of the 1980′s" was nice at the time but it's a Waterford thing not a classic Chicago built P-mount.
Oversized tubing? No thanks, modern 631/725/853 in a standard size would be fine.
Just be honest and say "We can't afford to build them the way they were, but here's something else that's modern & very well constructed that Richard thinks we should market as a Paramount".
Call it something else, "75th Anniversary Paramount" is just nasty to those who owned/own the real thing.
-Bandera
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I don't think that building them the way they were is any kind of problem for them. I also don't think it's a matter of being cheap. I think they are building a modern bike with modern performance. Just the same as comparing a 1980 paramount to a 1960s. I like it. Why should it not be modern?
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"Cleaner than the ornate 1970′s Nervex lugs"
"Cleaner" is not what I'd want in a 75th anniversary Paramount, verisimilitude is.
Marc should know better than trying to fob off Waterford's "limited edition lugs", which are modern/nice/whatever/who-cares, as in any way superior aesthetically superior to Chicago 70's Paramount's Nervex.
The "groundbreaking OS lugset design of the 1980′s" was nice at the time but it's a Waterford thing not a classic Chicago built P-mount.
Oversized tubing? No thanks, modern 631/725/853 in a standard size would be fine.
Just be honest and say "We can't afford to build them the way they were, but here's something else that's modern & very well constructed that Richard thinks we should market as a Paramount".
Call it something else, "75th Anniversary Paramount" is just nasty to those who owned/own the real thing.
-Bandera
"Cleaner" is not what I'd want in a 75th anniversary Paramount, verisimilitude is.
Marc should know better than trying to fob off Waterford's "limited edition lugs", which are modern/nice/whatever/who-cares, as in any way superior aesthetically superior to Chicago 70's Paramount's Nervex.
The "groundbreaking OS lugset design of the 1980′s" was nice at the time but it's a Waterford thing not a classic Chicago built P-mount.
Oversized tubing? No thanks, modern 631/725/853 in a standard size would be fine.
Just be honest and say "We can't afford to build them the way they were, but here's something else that's modern & very well constructed that Richard thinks we should market as a Paramount".
Call it something else, "75th Anniversary Paramount" is just nasty to those who owned/own the real thing.
-Bandera
I like the 75th, and I'd just get the Air with the basic fork and upgrade to pearl white paint. Then I'd deride everyone else's. I could care less about the tubing, since I know they'd use good stuff. Given a druther, I'd ruther Tange Prestige be used. OS if fine with me, as I dig norskagent's '89 in OS.
I've never cared for ornate lugs. I appreciate them, on Paramounts as well as beat-up old Raleigh's, but not my cup o'
The price is high, but the same SuperCorsa would set you back an relative amount, as well.
The difficult choice would be finding a group that I'd like the looks of. Maybe a 7900 group with the silver part polished, I dunno. Irrelevant as long as newer groups get farther and farther away from the traditional looks. Like I should talk, sticking modern groups on older frames....
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I don't think that building them the way they were is any kind of problem for them. I also don't think it's a matter of being cheap. I think they are building a modern bike with modern performance. Just the same as comparing a 1980 paramount to a 1960s. I like it. Why should it not be modern?
+1 - I'd rather have a new frame from what Waterford is rather than some lame imitation faux vintage frame when Paramounts are readily available on eBay. Why would a dated tubeset be more expensive somehow?
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It's available in Coppertone! 
While I get the idea of releasing anniversary editions, and making each issue different from the other, I don't understand why they are limiting it to such a small number. Bikes are meant for riding and 25 different custom units means many of these will be show pieces which see little or no road time.
I certainly hope they stamp the left rear dropout with the serial number and they keep it short like the '60s and '70s Chicago built Paramounts. Maybe something like this for the one finished in September--- "J7501"
(Chicago made Paramount owners should get this. I like it that my '83 Waterford built Paramount kept this system before they went to that horrendously long system.)

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While I get the idea of releasing anniversary editions, and making each issue different from the other, I don't understand why they are limiting it to such a small number. Bikes are meant for riding and 25 different custom units means many of these will be show pieces which see little or no road time.

I certainly hope they stamp the left rear dropout with the serial number and they keep it short like the '60s and '70s Chicago built Paramounts. Maybe something like this for the one finished in September--- "J7501"
(Chicago made Paramount owners should get this. I like it that my '83 Waterford built Paramount kept this system before they went to that horrendously long system.)

Pardon the mess!
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Hm, to me the lugs look like a fine blend of old-school ornateness (is that a word?) and modern flowing lines. Pretty nice limited edition. Make mine one with a stainless rear end in candy apple red.
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Way too rich for my blood.
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I fell in love with a Paramount I saw during a charity ride in the mid 70's. The frame was chromed, and it had "gold" accents. I believe the spokes were gold, and some other drive train parts. Of course, I would never have the money for my own.
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I would want an Air tubed one, stainless rear triangle, head lugs and fork, have them polish the lugs, stays and fork just like is was a chrome job from the 60's-70's. Black paint. Should look terrific.
Actually I like the idea of a 75th anniversary frame, too bad Campagnolo is at 80. It would be a reason to buy one of those sets available at a discount right now.
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80th Anniversary Campy would look too MODERN for it...Would have been nice if they gave that a little more "Classic" Styling....oh well, it is out of my league as well! :-)
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I think I'll wait for the 76th Anniversary edition...
Seriously, love the lugs and stainless would be one sweet looking frame.
Seriously, love the lugs and stainless would be one sweet looking frame.
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Maybe go with Athena with the silver levers?
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Neat that they're doing this.. but having reviewed the list I think I could find an old Paramount with the actual features I like for pennies on the dollar.
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This project is similar to the 70th anniversary Paramount where Schwinn (Doral Industries) essentially commissioned Waterford to design and produce a limited edition Schwinn Paramount executed in Reynolds 953 stainless steel. That was a beautiful bike, but the pricing was about 30% higher than Waterford's own 953 bikes and because of that premium, sales probably suffered.
I suspect this project, offering a choice of materials at different prices, benefits from that experience five years ago. The pricing isn't outrageous compared to other high end bikes IMHO. I hope this project is a success.
I suspect this project, offering a choice of materials at different prices, benefits from that experience five years ago. The pricing isn't outrageous compared to other high end bikes IMHO. I hope this project is a success.
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I can have a stainless lugged frame built for less than half of what they're asking.
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I think Athena in silver would be a must. On stainless steel, it would just be pure sex and honorable aesthetics to the history of the brand.
These are obviously priced for their intrinsic value rather than tangible. Where else will you get a modern Paramount? The limited run is likely due to the economy (it's a successful project if you get 50 buyers at $5k but not if you can't find 500 at $3k) and keeping appeal for the investment buyers. I would also say, although I haven't followed the industry as much lately so it could be true, if they're made these in the tradition of the classic Paramounts then it should be designed around a deconstructed Cologno
And for putting up with my word spillage, here's a pic of my '72
These are obviously priced for their intrinsic value rather than tangible. Where else will you get a modern Paramount? The limited run is likely due to the economy (it's a successful project if you get 50 buyers at $5k but not if you can't find 500 at $3k) and keeping appeal for the investment buyers. I would also say, although I haven't followed the industry as much lately so it could be true, if they're made these in the tradition of the classic Paramounts then it should be designed around a deconstructed Cologno

And for putting up with my word spillage, here's a pic of my '72





