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Old 10-11-13, 02:00 PM
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Made in Holland for chicago cycle co.

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Anyone have any information on this. I have many hours of google fu into this with nothing turning up.



Crusader on the head badge and chain guard, "sports" on the seat tube. A badge on the seat tube reads the same as the title of this thread.


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My plan was to find a CL frame I liked with lugs and turn it into a path racer, like a poor mans pashley govnor. Also of interest ont his bike, it has an integrated rear wheel lock and the seat stays are bolted, not welded. SA speed on the rear. 26 x13/8 tires.

Is it super rare or just some old bike I should not worry about customizing.

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Interesting. Have any more pictures, like of the seat cluster, fork crown, rear dropouts?
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The SA hub will have a two digit year on it. Looks like a dutch bike for export, not that common in the states but they can be had. I say keep the original parts and don't paint, otherwise, have fun!
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All of the pics I took yesterday.
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I can find one bit of info so far that makes me think this was a rebadged manton and smith. Edit, nevermind I dont think so anymore. very confused now.


I'm starting to think I should not tear it down and paint the frame yet. I was going to turn the chain guard into a clock. The research continues.

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I've been in touch with the man behind this website and if anyone can identify it, it's probably him. He asked to provide the following, if possible:
  • a clear picture of the serial number (probably on the seat lug, under the BB shell or left rear dropout)
  • a picture of the spindle and cranks
  • the date code on the rear hub
He doesn't post here, but is willing to provide me with any answers so I can post them.
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Nice old bike, I like it...
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I don't know if it's rare or not, maybe that it survived. Chicago Cycle Supply Co. used to import different bikes and have different companies build bikes for them, I found this Liberty in the trash and thought it was cool enough to redo. I couldn't find any info about it.

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I don't know anything about this bike, but it seems really neat and unusual--why not keep this as-is and find a run-of-the-mill Schwinn or Raleigh to re-paint and customize?
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bolted seat stay.





59 6 on the hub.

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Thanks for taking an interest, I held off stripping it down over the weekend.
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Thanks for the additional pics, jdswitters. The number on the BB shell is a Nervex code, not the bike's serial number. Are there any other numbers to be found on the frame, f.i. on the other locations my source suggested?
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Took the rear rack off and found "0278" on the left rear chainstay. Thanks again for looking into this.
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Riding through town last night I had a thought about the crusader. Near the top of the left chain stay there is a tab welded on, color matching so I'm pretty sure it came with the bike. The tab looked familiar, but I couldn't place it and thought it might be for the wheel lock since it was next to the wheel lock. But while riding my torker graduate with SA hub and drum brakes I realized the tab is the exact same one used for the rear brake on on my Graduate. I am starting to think the crusader may have originally been built with a different hub rear brake.
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While cleaning up the chain stays last night for welding. I found one more number on the bottom bracket. 439* could be 8

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It may be rare, but I don't think it has a lot of value. Do what you want with it.
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Right. Here's what came back from rijwiel.net (thanks, Herbert!). I'll give you a translation of his e-mails, so you can draw your own conclusions.

I had a good look at the bike's various characteristics and the serial number and I can't match it to any known Dutch builder. There are some things that do not match:

Theorem 1: the bike is a Dutch-built export bike:
This is supported by the decal on the seat tube. Moreover, I have seen the head badge before, in the collection of a major head badge collector, and he had identified it as having a typical Dutch style. This bike supports this.

It is also supported by the '59 date code on the SA hub. The Dutch export to the US grew from just 14 bicycles in 1950 to 36,000 in 1955 and 75,000 in 1957. Around 1960 the export collapsed, apparently because other exporting countries became cheaper.

Theorem 2: the bike was not built in Holland:
This is supported by the characteristics of the bike in combination with the supposed 1959 build year. Dutch bikes did have serial numbers on the left rear dropout, but those were usually track style dropouts, to be used with chain tensioners. Only Magneet, Locomotief and Joco made 'super sport bikes' with derailers and front-facing dropouts, in very limited numbers. This Crusader is a different type of bike. Also, you would not find riveted dropouts on a super sport bike. I only remember seeing this on Locomotief bikes from around 1940, but it is not something I usually pay much attention to. At that time the BSA bottom bracket shells usually had two tension bolts on the underside.

I've only seen the Crusader's head tube lugs on Magneet bikes from the 1950's, but Magneet used a different fork crown. Anyway, I've never seen this particular big and plain fork crown on Dutch sports bikes from that era.
I've also never seen the strange braze-on on the left seat stay. I don't see the relation to drum brakes, like the owner suggests.

Regarding the serial number: I see 8278 and in front of that a 'lowered' letter, possibly an 'S'. Two brands carried serial numbers with that format durin tha late 1950's: Germaan and Batavus. Batavus may have been exporting, but Germaan is less likely. Another large manufacturer, Hartog from Zeist, did export a lot to Indonesia and the US, but hardly sold anything in Holland, so is not well known here. The only Hartog I know of (in the US) looks different.

Conslusion: I think it is a Dutch export bike, and the 1959 year is likely as well. But I doubt it was actually 'Made in Holland'. If so it must be a model specifically aimed at US tastes in style. Not uncommon as far as the choice of components was concerned, but I know of no specific 'US model' frames. It may have been bought elsewhere and exported through the Dutch manufacturer. Who that was is still unclear.
Another small, but not insignificant detail I just noticed: the lock says 'Magneet' and has the Magneet logo. That is significant, as the lock being a later addition is highly unlikely.



Magneet serial numbers were made up of a number, followed by a space or hyphen, in turn followed by four numbers. See the example below.

The head tube lugs are similar, like I said. See the comparison picture. The lower head set cup matches, and both bikes sport a Weinmann Junior front brake as well. The fork does not match (it may have been a US-specific item) and neither do the rear dropouts.



Nevertheless: it could well be a Magneet export bike.
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Oh, and if you've not already done so, have a look at these at rijwiel.net.

https://www.rijwiel.net/fietsen/mag/1-9765.htm

https://www.rijwiel.net/fietsen/mag/8-5833.htm
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Thanks again, it has been fun learning about this old bike. I welded the cracked chainstays Saturday and took it to the local LBS to get some headset bearings found.

After it gets back I will just do some touch up paint around the weld and some other worn areas. The bike was originally red, but the orange is a nice patina. For now I'll leave the SA three speed on and find a new front wheel. Rear brakes will stay also. Thinking bottom tube mounted 3 speed shift location.

Not staying will be the chain guard, already ground off the mounting tabs. Seat post, which had to get pounded out after soaking in lube for a day, ditto for the stem. Thinking about keeping the crank if I can find a key bold that matches the original, right now I only have one. Otherwise I can save a lot of weight with a new bottom bracket and crank set up. Pedals have to go one is bent anyway. Front brake and wheel lock will not be reinstalled.
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I'll be looking forward to the pictures of the progress. I'd rethink the removal of the front brake, though. With only a rear caliper grabbing a steel rim you won't have any braking ability to speak of.
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except for the pedals it is done till spring. I chronicled the build in a little more detail on another forum but wanted to post the pic here for everyone who helped and encouraged. Only the frame, stem and handlebars are original at this point, and the stem may go soon also.

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Needs fenders, chainbox and a brown saddle
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Thanks for the update. Nice to see it back on the road again! Coaster brake? If so, good choice.
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Thanks for the update. Nice to see it back on the road again! Coaster brake? If so, good choice.
coaster brake, I wanted to keep the handlebars clean and based on my cruisers a coaster brake will do just fine for my style of riding.
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