upgrade an old Pinarello?
#1
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Sac
Bikes: Fatboy
upgrade an old Pinarello?
I don't mind the friction shifting but I've been considering something a little more modern possibly a 9-10 spd groupo and setting the older campy group to the side since it's in relatively good condition.
I'm not too sure what crank set I have as it does look more modern than the rest...but I believe it will work with a 9-10 spd group (correct me if I'm wrong). I ride around 150-200 miles weekly. I'm not a racer so I don't need carbon components. If anyone has some suggestions I'd appreciate. Right now I'm leaning towards a 9spd chorus set up...thoughts? My buddy said the parts are obsolete for 8-9spds..and suggested shimano..which I don't entirely object to..I would just prefer italian parts for the italian frame..coming from a auto background, that's my mentality.
In terms of wheelset...I haven't even thought of it..really like the MA-40s..but they wont work. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Thanks



I'm not too sure what crank set I have as it does look more modern than the rest...but I believe it will work with a 9-10 spd group (correct me if I'm wrong). I ride around 150-200 miles weekly. I'm not a racer so I don't need carbon components. If anyone has some suggestions I'd appreciate. Right now I'm leaning towards a 9spd chorus set up...thoughts? My buddy said the parts are obsolete for 8-9spds..and suggested shimano..which I don't entirely object to..I would just prefer italian parts for the italian frame..coming from a auto background, that's my mentality.
In terms of wheelset...I haven't even thought of it..really like the MA-40s..but they wont work. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Thanks
#2
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 507
Likes: 68
From: Chicago
Bikes: 1984 Trek 770
Chorus could work very nicely. Campagnolo consistently puts out silver-toned groups, so that would fit your bike well. Something to consider might be your rear dropout spacing. 126mm to 130mm is fine, 120mm to 130mm might require a bit more doing. The nice thing about Campy groups however is that they're pretty maintaineable. So even if 8 or 9 speed is technically obsolete, it's not hard to get the parts to last so long that it doesn't even matter. When you're done, please post pictures in the C&V with STI or Ergos thread!
#3
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,767
Likes: 5,668
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Modern cranks are engineered to work better with indexed shifting so yeah you might as well get a complete kit for your bike if you are going that route. If you're going new, you might as well go with current gear and buy a complete kit like this athena kit (just as an example):
Campagnolo Athena Alloy Compact Kit-In-A-Box in Tree Fort Bikes Build Kits (cat220)
You'll still need wheels. MA 40s aren't exactly available anymore. If you want something old school and strong, I'd go with something like the H Plus Son TB 14 and have someone build you a pair of wheels; these are strong rims and and they're a little wider than most road rims which will give you a better tire profile.
Campagnolo Athena Alloy Compact Kit-In-A-Box in Tree Fort Bikes Build Kits (cat220)
You'll still need wheels. MA 40s aren't exactly available anymore. If you want something old school and strong, I'd go with something like the H Plus Son TB 14 and have someone build you a pair of wheels; these are strong rims and and they're a little wider than most road rims which will give you a better tire profile.
#4
Spin Forest! Spin!
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,956
Likes: 18
From: Arrid Zone-a
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
You can probably get away with the current crank.
I recommend going with modern 10 speed, possibly Veloce. Prices are reasonable, performance on par with higher groups, less compatibility issues than sourcing 8-9 speed Campagnolo. Campagnolo-spec 10 speed wheels are now plentiful too.
BTW, beautiful Pinarello!
I recommend going with modern 10 speed, possibly Veloce. Prices are reasonable, performance on par with higher groups, less compatibility issues than sourcing 8-9 speed Campagnolo. Campagnolo-spec 10 speed wheels are now plentiful too.
BTW, beautiful Pinarello!
#5
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,538
Likes: 13
From: Hopkinton, MA
Bikes: 1938 Raleigh Record Ace (2), 1938 Schwinn Paramount, 1961 Torpado, 1964? Frejus, 1980 Raleigh 753 Team Pro, Moulton, other stuff...
#7
Keep in mind that if you are going to order a complete group, Campagnolo stuff is way cheaper if you buy it from the UK--I use Ribble. I got a Veloce group, plus campy wheels and a Regal saddle for less than I would have paid for just the group here. Free shipping, too.
I will say that I didn't like the front shifting on the Veloce ergo shifters. This was a couple years ago, so maybe they're better now, but it only had 2 clicks--one for the big ring and one for the small. No trim capabilities at all. I eventually changed them for bar ends.
I will say that I didn't like the front shifting on the Veloce ergo shifters. This was a couple years ago, so maybe they're better now, but it only had 2 clicks--one for the big ring and one for the small. No trim capabilities at all. I eventually changed them for bar ends.
#8
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Sac
Bikes: Fatboy
thanks for the kind words, She rides as good as she looks!
I've looked into veloce but am worried about all the plastic bits...any plastics in the 9spd chorus group? got my eye on an ebay auction..
I've looked into veloce but am worried about all the plastic bits...any plastics in the 9spd chorus group? got my eye on an ebay auction..
#10
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 210
Likes: 4
From: toronto, canada
Bikes: '79 CIOCC, '80 Cinelli, '86 DeRosa, '93 Bianchi EL-OS, '13 Cervelo R3
and that is a nice looking bike.
Last edited by R3tired; 05-19-14 at 06:26 PM.
#11
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Sac
Bikes: Fatboy
i have a 2013 Veloce group on a bike and it works great. the only plastic bit i see is the shift lever behind the brake lever, and that seems to be the same plastic bit as on a 2013 Record group i have on another bike. you can grab a complete group with cables for $650 at velomine.
and that is a nice looking bike.
and that is a nice looking bike.
#12
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 210
Likes: 4
From: toronto, canada
Bikes: '79 CIOCC, '80 Cinelli, '86 DeRosa, '93 Bianchi EL-OS, '13 Cervelo R3
i have the Veloce on my DeRosa. Wheels are Mavic OP rims with Record hubs. 9 speed rear hub fits 10 speed cassette. there are a few Campy 9 speed hubs on ebay. i'd keep the rims you have and just change the hub on the rear wheel. i haven't cold set the frame yet. the 130 fits in with not much effort. H+Sons TB14 are also very nice rims if you're getting new ones.
#13
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,982
Likes: 8
From: Alpharetta, GA
Bikes: LESS than I did a year ago!
#14
Senior Member


Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,106
Likes: 2,757
From: Fredericksburg, Va
Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
Very nice bike as is though the parts are not in a single period. The RD, FD and Shifters are older than the crank and calipers.
#15
Bianchi Goddess


Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 28,880
Likes: 4,119
From: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
I think it is a great looking bike as it sits and putting a black modern group on it would make it ugly.
If you really want index shifting I would find a Sachs, Sunrace or shimano 7 spd FW and 600 7 spd DT shiftets and RD. You'll get index convience and keep your classic looks.
If you really want index shifting I would find a Sachs, Sunrace or shimano 7 spd FW and 600 7 spd DT shiftets and RD. You'll get index convience and keep your classic looks.
__________________
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
#16
Banned
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 8
the record RD moves with relatively little cable pull compared with the newer Slant pantograph RD, so if you change the RD
you will likely need a larger cable pull shift lever... (though a J-Tech cable pull ratio multiplying pulley may make it work)
you will likely need a larger cable pull shift lever... (though a J-Tech cable pull ratio multiplying pulley may make it work)
#17
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Sac
Bikes: Fatboy
Cheers for all the input!
Last edited by Dannon; 05-21-14 at 11:58 PM.
#18
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,340
Likes: 781
From: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Bikes: '08 Look 585, '07 Kuota Kebel, '80s Alan Peitsch
Purdy bike. I recently built up an '83 Pinarello Record frameset. I too was trying to decide whether to go a little more modern or try to stay true to the age of the frame. I have a a few 8/9 speed group sets ready to go. I went with Nuovo Record and am happy with the result.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Justin77
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
5
05-29-16 12:23 PM
mnmkpedals
Classic and Vintage Sales
9
01-25-16 02:17 PM





