Fellow Clydes - Please Stop the Negativity to New or Returning Members.
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08-22-12, 01:24 PM
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08-22-12, 01:40 PM
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I'm glad I missed out on some of the rude responses and overbearing threads! I for one have found nothing but kind support here and encouragement and consider you all friends. Something to think about, however, is that not all of us are professional writers and sometimes give an impression, or write with an "attitude", that is unintended. I may write a word of encouragement to a fellow clyde, however it may be interpreted incorrectly because of my poor choice of words or phrasing. If someone responds to one of your posts in an unkind manner, the first thought should be - "Did he mean that? Am I reading something into the wording that he did not intend?"
I like this thread, because it is a rare opportunity to get to know many of our fellow Clydes and Athenas. Remember, Ride Free!
I like this thread, because it is a rare opportunity to get to know many of our fellow Clydes and Athenas. Remember, Ride Free!
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Everyone responds to issues in their own way. Tough love never worked with me; it made me bitter and resentful towards those showing me "tough love", and cut them out of my life.
That being said I don't believe "tough love" is ever appropriate on a forum with strangers. We simply do not have enough information about the person and all of their experiences, issues, personality, and problems to be able to make proper moral judgements about them. At best, we can take the information we have and give them the best information we have available utilizing what we know about our experiences, what we read in articles, books and journals, what we know about what we're told by other experienced people (who may or may not be full of crap), and what we know about the poster. Everything else is faux moral superiority designed to stoke our own egos and make ourselves feel better.
08-22-12, 02:24 PM
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NO!!! It's a Moots point!
08-22-12, 02:57 PM
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If it helps at all, I appreciate the fact that there is a spot one may go to and be among those with similar trials, obstacles and eventual victories. I have learned a lot just reading posts and have received some great support. While my struggles may not be as big (no pun intended) as others, I still appreciate having a "safe place" where I can explain my troubles and seek the advice and support of others.
And I am noobie and still don't know what a Fred is......
And I am noobie and still don't know what a Fred is......
08-22-12, 03:03 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling) - Fred is a derisive term used by "serious" road cyclists to describe other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them. The term is generally reserved for men, while the female Fred is sometimes called a Wilma or Doris.
The exact qualities that define one as a "Fred" vary widely among regions and cyclists. The earliest two definitions used for the term are contradictory.
More recently, particularly in the US, a Fred is more often somebody with higher quality and more expensive cycling equipment than his or her talent and commitment would warrant. For example, a stereotypical Fred by this definition would be an individual with little cycling experience who watches the highlights of a few Tour de France stages, then goes to a bike store and purchases a Trek carbon fiber Madone in Team Discovery colors, along with Team Discovery shorts and jersey. Thus outfitted with equipment virtually identical to that which Lance Armstrong used, far more expensive than that used by many high-standard racing cyclists, and more costly than many automobiles, the "Fred" then uses his bicycle merely to ride on a cycling path at 15 mph (24 km/h), something which even the most casual untrained cyclist can manage on an inexpensive hybrid bicycle. Some use "Fred" in a somewhat similar matter, but more synonymous with a roadie poseur. However, a Fred isn't necessarily someone who intentionally tries to put forth an image of being better or more knowledgeable than they are. Rather, a Fred is an inexperienced or unskilled cyclist who gets some top high-end or copy-cat racing gear for any reason. Unlike most poseurs, a Fred may still ride lacking some fundamental piece of competitive roadie equipment or style.
A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[SUP][1][/SUP] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
The exact qualities that define one as a "Fred" vary widely among regions and cyclists. The earliest two definitions used for the term are contradictory.
More recently, particularly in the US, a Fred is more often somebody with higher quality and more expensive cycling equipment than his or her talent and commitment would warrant. For example, a stereotypical Fred by this definition would be an individual with little cycling experience who watches the highlights of a few Tour de France stages, then goes to a bike store and purchases a Trek carbon fiber Madone in Team Discovery colors, along with Team Discovery shorts and jersey. Thus outfitted with equipment virtually identical to that which Lance Armstrong used, far more expensive than that used by many high-standard racing cyclists, and more costly than many automobiles, the "Fred" then uses his bicycle merely to ride on a cycling path at 15 mph (24 km/h), something which even the most casual untrained cyclist can manage on an inexpensive hybrid bicycle. Some use "Fred" in a somewhat similar matter, but more synonymous with a roadie poseur. However, a Fred isn't necessarily someone who intentionally tries to put forth an image of being better or more knowledgeable than they are. Rather, a Fred is an inexperienced or unskilled cyclist who gets some top high-end or copy-cat racing gear for any reason. Unlike most poseurs, a Fred may still ride lacking some fundamental piece of competitive roadie equipment or style.
A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[SUP][1][/SUP] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
08-22-12, 03:07 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling) - Fred is a derisive term used by "serious" road cyclists to describe other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them. The term is generally reserved for men, while the female Fred is sometimes called a Wilma or Doris.
The exact qualities that define one as a "Fred" vary widely among regions and cyclists. The earliest two definitions used for the term are contradictory.
More recently, particularly in the US, a Fred is more often somebody with higher quality and more expensive cycling equipment than his or her talent and commitment would warrant. For example, a stereotypical Fred by this definition would be an individual with little cycling experience who watches the highlights of a few Tour de France stages, then goes to a bike store and purchases a Trek carbon fiber Madone in Team Discovery colors, along with Team Discovery shorts and jersey. Thus outfitted with equipment virtually identical to that which Lance Armstrong used, far more expensive than that used by many high-standard racing cyclists, and more costly than many automobiles, the "Fred" then uses his bicycle merely to ride on a cycling path at 15 mph (24 km/h), something which even the most casual untrained cyclist can manage on an inexpensive hybrid bicycle. Some use "Fred" in a somewhat similar matter, but more synonymous with a roadie poseur. However, a Fred isn't necessarily someone who intentionally tries to put forth an image of being better or more knowledgeable than they are. Rather, a Fred is an inexperienced or unskilled cyclist who gets some top high-end or copy-cat racing gear for any reason. Unlike most poseurs, a Fred may still ride lacking some fundamental piece of competitive roadie equipment or style.
A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[SUP][1][/SUP] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
The exact qualities that define one as a "Fred" vary widely among regions and cyclists. The earliest two definitions used for the term are contradictory.
More recently, particularly in the US, a Fred is more often somebody with higher quality and more expensive cycling equipment than his or her talent and commitment would warrant. For example, a stereotypical Fred by this definition would be an individual with little cycling experience who watches the highlights of a few Tour de France stages, then goes to a bike store and purchases a Trek carbon fiber Madone in Team Discovery colors, along with Team Discovery shorts and jersey. Thus outfitted with equipment virtually identical to that which Lance Armstrong used, far more expensive than that used by many high-standard racing cyclists, and more costly than many automobiles, the "Fred" then uses his bicycle merely to ride on a cycling path at 15 mph (24 km/h), something which even the most casual untrained cyclist can manage on an inexpensive hybrid bicycle. Some use "Fred" in a somewhat similar matter, but more synonymous with a roadie poseur. However, a Fred isn't necessarily someone who intentionally tries to put forth an image of being better or more knowledgeable than they are. Rather, a Fred is an inexperienced or unskilled cyclist who gets some top high-end or copy-cat racing gear for any reason. Unlike most poseurs, a Fred may still ride lacking some fundamental piece of competitive roadie equipment or style.
A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[SUP][1][/SUP] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
I have a Madone.....
08-22-12, 03:36 PM
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A third use of the term exists. In this usage, a "Fred" is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind, like mirrors, powerful lights, fenders, bells/horns, heavy leather seats, racks, reflective gear, bags, baskets, etc. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey homemade solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar.[SUP][1][/SUP] This type of Fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes). Sacrificing some, or ignoring completely, concerns of speed or traditional roadie/sport cyclist style, these type of Freds are more concerned with practical concerns like comfort, safety, versatility, maintenance, being able to quickly transition to time and culture on/off the bicycle, etc. These cyclists may be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
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08-22-12, 03:39 PM
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I can understand the desire to issue "tough love". I personally find it frustrating when I hear people moan and moan about their weight when it just seems to me like they aren't willing to do the work. (I'm not really talking about here, but more in my diet class I attend every week.) A lot of what looks like "tough love" is really just frustration. I find it easier to just ignore those people who frustrate me and the Internet makes that even easier than doing it in the real world. 
08-22-12, 04:01 PM
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08-22-12, 04:10 PM
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Hello Nusince. I must point out that you have made a critical error......you show that you are from Glendora. 
Please see this post:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-ride-9-1-2012
And we'll see you on the first, right?!
Please see this post:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-ride-9-1-2012
And we'll see you on the first, right?!
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08-22-12, 04:14 PM
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08-22-12, 06:53 PM
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I am going to go all 41 on you folks...I think most of you need to HTFU!
What bothers me the most is that I see many of,the best posters staying away recently...that's sad to me...I see much less of hp, Craig, sf, jethro, and others,than I did back in the spring...I miss their input.
I agree the forum is diminished of late but not for the reasons the op stated.
What bothers me the most is that I see many of,the best posters staying away recently...that's sad to me...I see much less of hp, Craig, sf, jethro, and others,than I did back in the spring...I miss their input.
I agree the forum is diminished of late but not for the reasons the op stated.
08-22-12, 07:07 PM
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Figure I've known other long time members like Homey, Machka, Rowan, OCRrick and a few others from other bike sites since 2002 when I first started posting (they might be longer time posters). Members you mention and their habits seem to be pretty normal for many posters for whatever reasons, nothing unusual.
08-22-12, 07:15 PM
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Yeah,don't doubt yas...at least you and Trojan are still posting on a regular basis, or I would be lonely.
08-22-12, 07:27 PM
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I was a Clyde about 4 years ago. No more. No group therapy, self pity, wallowing in my own wake. Not a 41 P**ick either. Just a normal Fred biker out on a 50 miler every weekend. Clyde to Fred. What's next? Fred to Joshua, Eddy, Barry or Forte'1. Yeah, Forte'1, a latte' swilling Lycra clad Cervelo power tap cranking p**ick. At least Clydes can be happy. No hope for the prime o donnas.
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