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Old 01-14-16, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
I cannot think of a single situation where riding straight to the right side of turning traffic would be advisable. If you know of such a situation please describe it.
Where there's a high volume of traffic moving at speeds substantially higher than my own, and the lane to the left isn't a right turn only lane. With a modest amount of situational awareness, and self control, its very easy and safe to do.
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I'm unsure about is what to do when I want to turn left.
one approach (left hand drive countries) go all the way across the cross street to the far right side of It .

stop.. wait for the light to change, then go , on the right side of that street.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
I cannot think of a single situation where riding straight to the right side of turning traffic would be advisable. If you know of such a situation please describe it.
Japan (although it's on the left there since they drive on that side) Even if you are on the footpath they will yield. You might have to watch for older drivers, but they are easy to pick out since they voluntarily put a special symbol on their car to let everybody know their reactions might be a bit slower than normal.
The rest of the world, yep you're right, those buggers will squash you without blinking.
I like the pedestrian crossings in Japan. They are everywhere, and when you press the button the lights start changing immediately so there's no waiting! I reckon the traffic engineers in the west hate pedestrians and cyclists so much they punish them by making them wait a minute or so just to train them that crossing lights suck so try and cross without them....

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I second the mirror suggestion. If your riding in traffic, it really helps. I wouldn't ride without one.

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Lots of good suggestions here.

Cannot agree enough about using lights.

If you ride in the dark you want a headlight that will illuminate the road and a blinky on the front (or your helmet) to make you more noticeable.

For daylight riding just the blinky will do it, but get a really bright one.

Red blinky on the rear for day or night.

I have had several people in cars tell me how much easier it was to see me because of my blinkys; I will never ride without them...
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Where there's a high volume of traffic moving at speeds substantially higher than my own, and the lane to the left isn't a right turn only lane. With a modest amount of situational awareness, and self control, its very easy and safe to do.
Well sure if it's not a turning lane. I was referring more specifically to a RTO lane, with a bike lane to the right of that, which in my opinion should be criminally negligent to design and install such a setup.
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I highly recommend the SMIDSY weave for your safety. It's a way to communicate to MV drivers. It works for me. I think my headlight helps, so I run a headlight in the day when I'm on a bike equipped with dynamo lights.

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Originally Posted by RcktMan77
The second scenario I'm unsure about is what to do when I want to turn left. I'm on the right-most side of the right-most lane, and I need to somehow manage to get over two or more lanes while signaling to drivers my intent to do so--and hope they understand my intent. How do you best approach this situation? Where in the left turn lane should I be?
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one approach (left hand drive countries) go all the way across the cross street to the far right side of It .
stop.. wait for the light to change, then go , on the right side of that street.
Did people mention signalling. At least around here, drivers will give me some space when I stick my left arm out for the intention to cross. In fact, I don't use a mirror, so cars often will slow down when they see me looking behind myself a dozen times with a worried look on my face.

I only signal when I'm actually ready to make my move across traffic.

PLAN AHEAD.

At times in heavy traffic, I will do the square crossing as fietsbob suggests.

If it is a 2-way street with a turn lane, I'll often start trying to cross (SIGNALLING) a block or so ahead and move into the the left lane, and into the turn lane. Usually "taking the lane", or positioning myself in the middle of the turn lane. Lane position and how you approach the turn will also depend on whether you wish to end up on the right side or left side of the road once around the corner. I don't cut corners, moving left, when I expect to end up on the right.

On a one-way road, sometimes I'll move over to the left side of the road, and hug the left shoulder before turning, just as I would do on the right.

I have a 2-lane one-way road with a left exit that I regularly hit. If I do it right, I'll be on the left side of the left lane, and usually can get into the right side of the exit lane (that lane has a stop light 100 feet ahead).

At times, I'll just see too many cars behind me, and can't safely get across. In those cases, I just pull off the road to the right and wait for the pulse of traffic to pass, then proceed across the road. My safety is worth an extra 30 seconds of waiting for the traffic to clear.

Consider your speed, as well as car's speed and reaction times. If I'm moving at 15 MPH, and cars at 20 MPH, then I can usually cut in. If I'm moving at 10 MPH and cars at 50 MPH, then one needs a much bigger HOLE in traffic. Don't just signal 10 feet in front of a car and expect them to be able to yield.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
Well sure if it's not a turning lane. I was referring more specifically to a RTO lane, with a bike lane to the right of that, which in my opinion should be criminally negligent to design and install such a setup.
Ok, that's different, but in reality the speed and volume of traffic is a much bigger consideration. There are some like that in my area which see very little use, and aren't a problem.
I will agree with you if they were on a major intersection of high volume arterials. I don't recall any like that, but they may have simply not registered because I'm paying attention to whats actually happening around me rather than some lines on the road, and act appropriately.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
In all those situations, controlling the lane in the vicinity of the intersection is by far your safest bet.
Also, you really should take a traffic skills course, either from the League of American Bicyclists or Cycling Savvy. They're genuinely really helpful (full disclosure: I teach the LAB course).
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