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Close call today
Don't know how instructive this would be to others, but I thought I'd share just in case.
See the pic, I was in the bike lane, there was a big truck to my right in one of the right-turn only lanes for the Interstate entrance ramp. Maybe not quite an 18-wheeler, but definitely a tractor/trailer. When the light turned green, we both started forward. I quickly thought 'Jeez this guy is getting awful close, he must be starting leftish to make a really wide right turn'. And then he keeps getting lefter and lefter. Fortunately I stopped and let him pass because he (totally illegally!) crossed the bike lane to proceed 'straight' under the freeway! I cannot fathom what was going through his mind. I know we made eye contact because while the light was red I dismounted my bike to take my jacket off, and I was turned and facing him. Maybe he thought that in that eye contact he communicated his crazy plan to me? How does he not (a) wait for me to go past before illegally changing lanes? (b) wait for car traffic that has right of way for the lane he's illegally changing into? (c) roll down the window and say 'hey man, I'm going over there so watch out', (d) give a honk or something? What a great present for Bike to Work Day! Well anyways, it's lunch, time to go get my bike and see how many others are joining me for a ride to Chipotle's, my company agreed to buy lunch for cyclists today! https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...611c696020.png |
What was going thru his mind? He didn't know that was a right turn only lane and you took the wrong lane.
Take just a little more time and be safe. Often times in this kind of intersection I will pull to the curb, jump the light just a bit and beat out the drivers in the right turn lane to cross the intersection. I also don't like stopping in the lane, first in line at an intersection...don't know if the driver coming from behind will really stop. |
Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 20345373)
I cannot fathom what was going through his mind. I know we made eye contact because while the light was red I dismounted my bike to take my jacket off, and I was turned and facing him. Maybe he thought that in that eye contact he communicated his crazy plan to me? How does he not (a) wait for me to go past before illegally changing lanes? (b) wait for car traffic that has right of way for the lane he's illegally changing into? (c) roll down the window and say 'hey man, I'm going over there so watch out', (d) give a honk or something?
Glad there was no incident. |
With those 29+ on your Krampus you can just ride right over a tractor trailer |
haha, I was planning on riding Krampus for BTWD, taking my son on a trail ride to school on his MTB, but I tried to wake him up at 6:30 and he wussed out. Said he was too tired. (It just occurred to me, I should have pulled out the oldest cycling pun in the book!) So I just rode my regular commuter, the CrossCheck.
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 20345393)
What was going thru his mind? He didn't know that was a right turn only lane and you took the wrong lane.
Take just a little more time and be safe. Often times in this kind of intersection I will pull to the curb, jump the light just a bit and beat out the drivers in the right turn lane to cross the intersection. I also don't like stopping in the lane, first in line at an intersection...don't know if the driver coming from behind will really stop. The OP was in the bike lane, which is clear from both the picture and the narrative. |
Not to get to political on this but he could have been thinking he's an independent contractor paid by the load and needs to cut as many corners as he can to try and make a living. There was an accident like that here a few years ago where a guy like that drove around the railroad crossing gates in a truck like the one Rube described. The train hit him, the intersection was closed for a long time and his lack of insurance made things worse.
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 20345393)
What was going thru his mind? He didn't know that was a right turn only lane and you took the wrong lane.
Often times in this kind of intersection I will pull to the curb, jump the light just a bit and beat out the drivers in the right turn lane to cross the intersection. I've waited in that spot in the bike lane for the green light basically every day for going on 6 years now (somehow I very rarely catch it green). It's never been a problem before. The only spot I normally worry about is a couple hundred yards back when the right-turn lanes develop, and I have to jump those lanes to 'stay' in the bike lane. There, I watch my mirror and physically turn around to double-check, and cross when there's a giant space between cars. If there's no space, I err on the side of caution and pull over and stop until there is a space. |
Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 20345565)
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The OP was in the bike lane, which is clear from both the picture and the narrative. |
Awesome you weren’t ground up by the truck. Trucks can make their own rules, nothing you can do about it. It’s like hiking with grizzlies, but different.
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It reminds me a lot of this Russian video.
Turn-only lane, with a new lane appearing on the other side of the intersection. Truck goes straight through, and the cyclist wasn't quite as lucky as you were. In your photo: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...611c696020.png With all those white stripes, there is another lane appearing just beyond that. So, the truck merely had to go straight (much like the truck in the Russian incident), through the white striped area, while you were expected to cut to the right. The road could use a lot better markings. Perhaps GREEN bike path paint, and a solid curved line on the pavement clearly indicating an obligatory right turn. I'm glad you were ok. |
Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 20345373)
Well anyways, it's lunch, time to go get my bike and see how many others are joining me for a ride to Chipotle, my company agreed to buy lunch for cyclists today!
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 20345586)
It reminds me a lot of this Russian video.
With all those white stripes, there is another lane appearing just beyond that. So, the truck merely had to go straight (much like the truck in the Russian incident), through the white striped area, while you were expected to cut to the right. The road could use a lot better markings. Perhaps GREEN bike path paint, and a solid curved line on the pavement clearly indicating an obligatory right turn. I have only my oldest kid driving right now, but I taught him, if he's ever in a situation where he has to make an unwanted turn or exit, vs making a sudden maneuver, just take the turn and then take time to safely figure out how to get back. |
glad you saw him coming & for your intuitive reaction. eye contact (alone) is dangerous. it's been my experience that when a motor vehicle driver makes contact with a cyclist, they think (to themselves), "well I let them know I'm here, so now I can do whatever I want"
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Truck was in the wrong lane. Not OP. Common enough occurrence, but usually you wait until there is a gap in order to merge back into the through lane. Truck driver probably thought, it's just a cyclist. He can wait or slow down...if he knows what's good for him.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 20345611)
glad you saw him coming & for your intuitive reaction. eye contact (alone) is dangerous. it's been my experience that when a motor vehicle driver makes contact with a cyclist, they think (to themselves), "well I let them know I'm here, so now I can do whatever I want"
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Originally Posted by mcours2006
(Post 20345612)
Truck was in the wrong lane. Not OP. Common enough occurrence, but usually you wait until there is a gap in order to merge back into the through lane. Truck driver probably thought, it's just a cyclist. He can wait or slow down...if he knows what's good for him.
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Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 20345592)
Total of 10 out to Chipotle, including the president. It was cool to have some high-level corporate participation; hopefully we can grow next year. It was a nice <4mi round trip. Perfect weather (then again, in San Diego, that's every day)
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He probably had no idea you were even in a bike lane and either did not know he was in turn lane or didn't care. I have had trucks do basically the same to me while I was in a car before, they often just bully their way through.
That bike lane setup seems awful to me, I have never seen one like that. It not only doesn't line up with the other side in any way but it has no indicator lines of any kind to mark out what path you are supposed to be taking across the intersection. Since truck drivers come from all over, often mexico, he's probably never seen this goofy form of bike lane either. |
Shakespeare, in Henry IV, Part One, 1596:
Falstaff: 'The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life. The truck was in the wrong. If you were unhurt, you did the right thing. Glad you're okay. |
Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 20345393)
What was going thru his mind? He didn't know that was a right turn only lane and you took the wrong lane.
In any case, any day we get to live is a good day. Glad there was no incident, OP. Ride on. |
On another note, what happened when that big truck took over that lane that a bunch of other cars were supposed to be in? It looks like there were two lanes of cars to your left that went straight and that the truck would have just smashed into the furthest right lane of cars going straight? How did that end up?
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I realize I caused some confusion. I consider the bike lane to be "THE WRONG LANE" for any biker at that intersection. As I said before, I would have gone to the curb to the right. I often do this at a busy intersection in the interest of my personal safety.
Carry on |
That must have been a very nerve wracking experience!
Glad that you are safe and that stopping was enough to keep you that way. I dont think you had any room on your left either because of traffic going straight. |
I wouldn't have expected that either, so thanks for bringing the situation up. I'm going to add it to my rule of not being beside a truck in an intersection, including the right side now. If it can be avoided.
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I would have positioned myself the same way you did. Yeah the driver either didn't know he was in a turn only lane or he knew he was violating the turn only and figured he was faster than you.
Some intersections you just have to suck it up and accept that people will do ****ty things. I've seen quite a few people getting tickets for this, so the cops know about it and they'd be on your side. |
I had something slightly different happen to me a few weeks ago. I was approaching an intersection with traffic stopped for the light in my direction. There were 2 lanes going forward that squeeze down into 1 about half a block on the other side of the intersection, and I usually stay in the right lane and turn off into a parking lot before this happens. I was positioned there waiting for the light to change when a semi approached from the rear with his right turn signal blinking. I moved over into the other lane for him to turn, and then the light changed putting me in the danger zone of a line of cars behind me. I was able to get out of the way of both the cars and the turning truck, but it sure would have been better if I hadn't had to wait just long enough for the light to change before the truck got there. ,
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Glad you survived, Rube. Those are the kind of rigs that can tangle cyclists up into their wheels and the drivers maintain plausible deniability for miles...
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That bike lane sandwiched between vehicle lanes are pretty risky, leaving you no escape should a long truck being dangerously close to you.. I don't think I've seen such bike lanes in Manhattan (in fact the absence of such bike lanes sometimes did make me be unsure which lane to take when I am heading straight through the intersection). If I am stopped next to a big vehicle in the OP's situation, I think I'd walk backward, while waiting for green light, to be completely out of the reach of the vehicle's wheels should any unpredictable movement of it happens.
Thanks for sharing it with a picture. Something to keep in mind in future. |
Semi-related (HA!)... I recently saw a double trailer truck take a right turn too fast pushing the yellow light, and he just about took out a telephone pole and the rear trailer almost tipped over when it hit the curb. I'm sure his boss would've loved that.
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