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Old 02-07-19, 05:23 PM
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A set of trousers usually floats around £100; but sometimes sales happen, so for anything technical £100 is a great price.
I've always wondered what properties or characteristics the term "technical" implies when used in reference to clothing for bicycling.
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I've always wondered what properties or characteristics the term "technical" implies when used in reference to clothing for bicycling.
In most cases, a combination of breathability and water resistance.

ISO811 is a good place to start.
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The arcterix chino bike pants... The ankle part part of the pants rolls up well which also protects the visible part from greese. Also when u roll them up there are decent reflectors underneath.
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I looked them up. They are now out of production.
In that vein...

I recently bought another two pair of Levi's 511 commuter pants. They were at Macy's in a separate display from the regular 511's. Not a bargain rack, and it was well stocked. However they weren't listed as "Commuter" on any label included. They still have the reinforced crotch, black label, reflective cuff, U-lock holster hidden in the waistband.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
In most cases, a combination of breathability and water resistance.

ISO811 is a good place to start.
I have never seen any reference to the term "ISO811" in any consumer catalog or online ad copy for so-called "technical" clothing intended for bicyclists.

Yes ISO811 is a standard for breathability and water resistance, but does the consumer have any assurance that clothing on the market advertised as "technical" meets the ISO811 or any other standard just because the buzz word "technical" is included in the sales pitch?
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I have never seen any reference to the term "ISO811" in any consumer catalog or online ad copy for so-called "technical" clothing intended for bicyclists.

Yes ISO811 is a standard for breathability and water resistance, but does the consumer have any assurance that clothing on the market advertised as "technical" meets the ISO811 or any other standard just because the buzz word "technical" is included in the sales pitch?
https://showerspass.co.uk/products/refuge-jacket

The data is located under the Product Compare tab. I intentionally selected a website/product that the American audience will be familiar with.

It's clearly listed under that tab with a simplified star-rating for those not familiar with the particular ISO ratings.

For example, my jacket which is designed for cycling and fashionable wear and bought in a boutique shop in Amsterdam and had 10k/5k labels directly on it.

Where I am located, most outdoor gear directly states the ratings and people wouldn't buy outdoor/cycling clothing without such a label (as it probably hasn't be tested.)

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Maybe there is no legal standard for what a technical garment or fabric is, but I take it to mean that it uses something recently developed as opposed to doing things the old way. Like so many buzzwords and standards, if it hasn't been abused yet, it will be, but that doesn't mean it's entirely meaningless.

My wife and mother in law were in an outdoor clothing store, and my mother in law said she wanted to buy stuff for both of us. I tried on some pants made by Prana (or really, they call themselves prAna). I had never heard of them. Mother in law said they looked good on me, so I let her buy them. At $80, I wouldn't have bought them for myself. And wow, I'm impressed. They are stretchy and comfortable, and I can wear them riding in the rain with more comfort than any other pants. They are warm enough in cold weather, yet they are also cool enough in warm weather, so I guess that means we can call them breathable. So I'd say there's some kind of innovation going on. I don't follow the textiles industry, but I'd say they're doing stuff, just as so many industries are not done innovating.

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I wear my work clothes when I commute in. It's about 10 km each way. My work is casual, so I benefit from that (shorts and t-shirt in the summer). Having said that, I'll usually take transit if I have to wear a suit for a client meeting or something like that.
I did commute to a client for roughly 2 months in business casual attire. Really, the key for all cases is just to not go too fast in the morning.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
https://showerspass.co.uk/products/refuge-jacket

The data is located under the Product Compare tab. I intentionally selected a website/product that the American audience will be familiar with.

It's clearly listed under that tab with a simplified star-rating for those not familiar with the particular ISO ratings.

For example, my jacket which is designed for cycling and fashionable wear and bought in a boutique shop in Amsterdam and had 10k/5k labels directly on it.

Where I am located, most outdoor gear directly states the ratings and people wouldn't buy outdoor/cycling clothing without such a label (as it probably hasn't be tested.)

I am glad that you are gaining new insights from BF and I hope you enjoy your stay.
Never heard of Showerpass. I do see that you haven't "changed" the tone of your commentary on BF a bit, no matter what you posted elsewhere; just the same old, same old acidfast7 being acidfast7 routine.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Never heard of Showerpass. I do see that you haven't "changed" the tone of your commentary on BF a bit, no matter what you posted elsewhere; just the same old, same old acidfast7 being acidfast7 routine.
Look man. I like you and your excellent German bikes.

However, Showerspass is one of the largest purveyors of rain cycling gear and it's an American company. It's discussed here all the time. I honestly don't understand how one could be a commuter and not know about it.

I think that you should learn about outdoor gear and how it's tested via the links I posted and not complain about my posting style for two posts in a row without bringing any valuable information to the discussion.

GORE bike is another brand that you may not have heard of and they're worth checking out as well as their gear is solid.


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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Look man. I like you and your excellent German bikes.

However, Showerspass is one of the largest purveyors of rain cycling gear and it's an American company. It's discussed here all the time. I honestly don't understand how one could be a commuter and not know about it.

I think that you should learn about outdoor gear and how it's tested via the links I posted and not complain about my posting style for two posts in a row without bringing any valuable information to the discussion.

GORE bike is another brand that you may not have heard of and they're worth checking out as well as their gear is solid.


It's true, even I know about the Showerspass brand even though there's no way I'm spending 200 - $300 that they want for a rain jacket. I'll just use a $15-$20 "resistant" jacket when it's warm, or $2 rain cape when it's cold.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Look man. I like you and your excellent German bikes.

However, Showerspass is one of the largest purveyors of rain cycling gear and it's an American company. It's discussed here all the time. I honestly don't understand how one could be a commuter and not know about it.

I think that you should learn about outdoor gear and how it's tested via the links I posted and not complain about my posting style for two posts in a row without bringing any valuable information to the discussion.
Now I know about another high priced boutique operation.
FYI, I searched the Showers Pass web site and saw reference to the "technical" clothing and "high-performance "materials , but not one mention of ISO-anything. Buzz words do make good ad copy and may help justify the price tags for those impressed by it. Nice dreamy pictures of good looking Millennials wearing while at play also doesn't hurt the image that is being promoted.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Now I know about another high priced boutique operation.
FYI, I searched the Showers Pass web site and saw reference to the "technical" clothing and "high-performance "materials , but not one mention of ISO-anything. Buzz words do make good ad copy and may help justify the price tags for those impressed by it. Nice dreamy pictures of good looking Millennials wearing while at play also doesn't hurt the image that is being promoted.
I'm not really sure what else I can do. Are you being obtuse on purpose? I posted a direct link with instructions about how to access categories based on the results from the ISO tests. It's present for everyone to read.

Sorry man, can't really help or directly spell it out any more clearly. Have a good evening.
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In most cases, a combination of breathability and water resistance.
There is no such thing as 100% breathable and 100% waterproof at the same time, such fabric doesn't exist... Even the most expensive and most technical fabrics which are advertised as waterproof and breathable will loose their breathability when physical exertion reaches a certain point. and overwhelms fabrics breathability..and then you'll end up soaked with sweat inside a so-called waterproof/ breathable fabric.

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There is no such thing as 100% breathable and 100% waterproof at the same time, such fabric doesn't exist... Even the most expensive and most technical fabrics which are advertised as waterproof and breathable will loose their breathability when physical exertion reaches a certain point. and overwhelms fabrics breathability..and then you'll end up soaked with sweat inside a so-called waterproof/ breathable fabric.
As I stated above, there are precise scientific measurements in the link I provided about how to measure breathability and waterproofness. This isn't rocket science and every outdoor sporting garment I see in Europe lists these specifications.

As far as percent breathable (as in 100%) like you stated, I don't have an idea what that sentence means as it's not in the commonly used units. If I started reciting power at the crank in Joules people would be scratching their head if if it's technically correct.

Here is a better description (please click on this link unlike that other one that people don't seem to be clicking on.)

https://www.evo.com/guides/outerwear-waterproof-ratings-and-breathability

If you read that quick article, you soon see that 100% breathable doesn't mean anything as it's nonsensical and not comparable between fabrics. The data should have absolute units (as they do.)

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