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Old 09-23-20, 02:31 PM
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LeMond's New Carbon Bikes

I just saw this in my news feed. Lemond is bringing two new carbon fiber E-Bikes to market which is the first product from his investment in carbon fiber production technologies. Pricey, but is it really compared to other electric powered vehicles? If I didn't live in the dangerous suburbs (non-friendly cycling roadways in North Jersey), I would consider one. I would be concerned about bicycle thieves. I wonder what kind of deterrents are built in besides unlocking with your phone (assuming its there). https://cyclingtips.com/2020/09/lemo...ly-dutch-news/

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Sorry, I'm out! The whole point of bicycle commuting is to save money, not spend more than you could get a used car for (I realize US$4,500 is pushing it for a used car these days).

I don't ever want to have a bicycle stolen but if it happens I like knowing that I can grab another one on Craigslist and get it set up for my commuting needs for well under $500.
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This is what retired aging bike racers have to look forward to riding in their final years. Kind of depressing.
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I didnít see that one coming.
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Maybe the Lemond family wants to be the Tesla of bikes?
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My first reaction was negative, but not about the price. The price isn't out of line for the market. (Compare to Specialized Turbo Vado.)

What I didn't like:
no obvious way to carry luggage - water either. Is it just bare for these press shots?
too integrated to easily adjust fit - light, stem and bars should be separable. Can't imagine what that assembly costs, too. What you get in return is hoses that aren't hidden until they get to the stem.
Clumsy launch (these are in the press but the website is still "coming soon")
Deserves real front suspension (I don't expect many to rally to me here, that's ok)
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Iíd buy a VanMoof first
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Too fugly and expensive for my taste; I'll stick with my old steel bike.
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Parking downtown at my office is over $3,000 per year, so a $4,500 bike is chump change. Good that it has fenders, but for that much cash I want an enclosed chain, lights, and and higher handlebars.
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versus a chain, it should have a belt drive system.
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Wow - what is Lemond thinking? A city commuter bike need to be above all else:

(a) functional
(b) sturdy and built to take abuse, especially the frame getting dinged and or slammed against all sorts of other metal objects,
(c) Cheap enough as to not warrant worrying about it getting stolen anywhere and everywhere. IRO to me was the gold standard for a new urban bike, but honestly, at this point, any cheap BikesDirect bike as a base frame makes the most sense to me. Hi-Ten steel, 36 spoke clincher wheels.
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I don't understand the point of a carbon frame on a motorized bicycle.
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Wow - what is Lemond thinking? A city commuter bike need to be above all else:

(a) functional
(b) sturdy and built to take abuse, especially the frame getting dinged and or slammed against all sorts of other metal objects,
(c) Cheap enough as to not warrant worrying about it getting stolen anywhere and everywhere. IRO to me was the gold standard for a new urban bike, but honestly, at this point, any cheap BikesDirect bike as a base frame makes the most sense to me. Hi-Ten steel, 36 spoke clincher wheels.
Why does my/anyones commuter have to reflect your standards?
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The website is still a lot of nothing. Could these be little more than trade show concepts?
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I have a feeling when Trek bought Lemond there was a non-compete clause and itís ending soon.
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Why does my/anyones commuter have to reflect your standards?
It doesn't. But I presume Lemond is in business to make money, and from a standpoint of a consumer, I think my point about urban commuter bike features generally are going to align with majority of consumers for that type of bike.
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Sorry, I'm out! The whole point of bicycle commuting is to save money, not spend more than you could get a used car for (I realize US$4,500 is pushing it for a used car these days).
Not to me. I actually prefer to ride my bike. You don't have to be poor to choose to use a bicycle for transportation. For example, in the city it makes it much easier to get around than finding a parking spot and then walk to your destination.

Anyway, I don't really like the look of the bike in the OP. It looks heavy and cumbersome (coming from someone who rides a cargo bike, that might seem ironic).
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I don't understand the point of a carbon frame on a motorized bicycle.
Probably because that since the batteries (and motor) are heavy, it makes it easier to manhandle when off the bike if the frame is a lightweight one. Other than that, I don't think there are any advantages. Packaging, maybe?
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No doubt e-bikes are the growth segment for the future. Also, I don't think existing cyclists are the target customer, as we are presumably happy with the bikes we are riding.
After getting dropped on a hill by a little old lady on an ebike just yesterday, I can understand the appeal.
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It doesn't. But I presume Lemond is in business to make money, and from a standpoint of a consumer, I think my point about urban commuter bike features generally are going to align with majority of consumers for that type of bike.
Youíre one type of commuter, the shops here canít keep e-bikes in stock whether 2000 or 10,000 euro. I went to the Van Moof store in Frankfurt at the end of September and was told itíll be May before I can get one.
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You could be correct. I am a little saddened by the e-bike craze, as it is turning basically our bike paths into motorized scooter paths.
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Wow - what is Lemond thinking? A city commuter bike need to be above all else:

(a) functional
(b) sturdy and built to take abuse, especially the frame getting dinged and or slammed against all sorts of other metal objects,
(c) Cheap enough as to not warrant worrying about it getting stolen anywhere and everywhere. IRO to me was the gold standard for a new urban bike, but honestly, at this point, any cheap BikesDirect bike as a base frame makes the most sense to me. Hi-Ten steel, 36 spoke clincher wheels.
This is a bike that someone would carry into their workplace and secure in their office. It needs to be light enough to be relatively easily carried. A 65lbs eBike lives a different life than a 30 lbs carbon eBike. At my work place, there's a ton of cyclists. The <$500 beaters are mostly parked in the racks outside, and the >$2k bikes live in offices. One of those takes significantly more abuse.

Also, the motor+battery on an eBike is a minimum $600, so even a minimum spec bike is ~$1000. At that price there's no point in going with less than an Aluminum frame.

I like the integrated lighting. One of the most frustrating parts about eBikes is having to charge the batteries for lights. I'm sitting on 600Wh battery, it'd be really nice to use it for lighting also.
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You could be correct. I am a little saddened by the e-bike craze, as it is turning basically our bike paths into motorized scooter paths.
pedelecs are not e-motorcycles thereís no throttle
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This is a bike that someone would carry into their workplace and secure in their office. It needs to be light enough to be relatively easily carried. A 65lbs eBike lives a different life than a 30 lbs carbon eBike. At my work place, there's a ton of cyclists. The <$500 beaters are mostly parked in the racks outside, and the >$2k bikes live in offices. One of those takes significantly more abuse.

Also, the motor+battery on an eBike is a minimum $600, so even a minimum spec bike is ~$1000. At that price there's no point in going with less than an Aluminum frame.

I like the integrated lighting. One of the most frustrating parts about eBikes is having to charge the batteries for lights. I'm sitting on 600Wh battery, it'd be really nice to use it for lighting also.
One counter: A steel frame is the optimal frame for a commuter bike, given its ability to stand-up to wear and tear of urban cycling. So when you say "less than an aluminum frame" I would argue ALU is a worse material. And with the e-assist, weight is less of a concern. But I get your point.

However - I worry that the benefits of commuting by bike (exercise) is being lost by people basically just riding motorized scooters, which use coal powered electricity to recharge.
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One counter: A steel frame is the optimal frame for a commuter bike, given its ability to stand-up to wear and tear of urban cycling. So when you say "less than an aluminum frame" I would argue ALU is a worse material. And with the e-assist, weight is less of a concern. But I get your point.
A steel frame rusts. Especially if you use it when the roads are salted (as you would if you commute year-round). What makes you think an aluminium framed bike can't "stand-up to wear and tear of urban cycling"?

However - I worry that the benefits of commuting by bike (exercise) is being lost by people basically just riding motorized scooters, which use coal powered electricity to recharge.
Why do you worry about their health? Maybe if they weren't using electric bikes, they'd take their car instead? I don't have an electric bike, but if I get old enough, I will probably have one in addition to a non-electric. I don't use my bike for "exercise". I just happen to get exercise as I use the bike if that makes sense.
As for coal-powered, it depends where you get your power from. Anyway, it's still cleaner than if each individual rode 2-stroke scooters/mopeds, a car for each person, or motorcycles.
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