Surly Preamble
02-23-23, 10:50 AM
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To be fair a lot of brakes use the glycol ether-based DOT 5.1 instead of mineral oil and it’s a bit less inert. But it’s non-volatile, easy to protect against by wearing gloves when doing maintenance, and a complete bike only contains a few milliliters in total in the brake system. Lots of things people probably don’t think twice about working with in a garage or basement are more hazardous.
02-23-23, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by grolby
To be fair a lot of brakes use the glycol ether-based DOT 5.1...
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Cues just released. Looks awesome IMO. The Preamble would have been 3000 level probably. https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shima...q_PIDGczRZdIog
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It's going to drive the retrogrouches nuts
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
It's going to drive the retrogrouches nuts
02-28-23, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PDKL45
The lack of 3x components?
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02-28-23, 08:18 PM
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Yep, already have seen complaints about lack of backwards compatibility. But at some point you have to rip that bandaid off.
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Originally Posted by Korina
Easier maintenance and fewer toxic fluids? Just a guess.
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Originally Posted by grolby
No. Fluids aside, hydraulics require much less maintenance than mechanical discs and so they’re much more user-friendly, useful on an entry-level bike like this. PDKL45 covered this already, but not only do mechanical brakes need regular adjustment, they can’t be adjusted merely by increasing cable tension, a fact that catches out even experienced mechanics. Surly would spec hydraulics if they could hit the price point and/or if they were available. This is a shame but not too surprising.
They are saying they used lighter and thinner tubes than on some of their other bikes. Who knows what that translates to in practice, a $900 complete bike is unlikely to really deliver on ride quality. But it’s nice to see they were thinking about it. Also, this might be the most self-aware sentence I’ve ever seen from a Surly blog post:
$549 for a frameset is actually kind of intriguing. If I have enough parts lying around I could even see myself picking one of these up at some point for cruising around the neighborhood.
They are saying they used lighter and thinner tubes than on some of their other bikes. Who knows what that translates to in practice, a $900 complete bike is unlikely to really deliver on ride quality. But it’s nice to see they were thinking about it. Also, this might be the most self-aware sentence I’ve ever seen from a Surly blog post:
$549 for a frameset is actually kind of intriguing. If I have enough parts lying around I could even see myself picking one of these up at some point for cruising around the neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
'Simply Red' was $550 complete in 2018 and is 2x Claris with Alex wheelset. If $1K complete is a 'budget' commuter in 2023 then I'd better baby 'Red' because the CFO is not going to allow any n+1 at that price point.
03-04-23, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
'Simply Red' was $550 complete in 2018 and is 2x Claris with Alex wheelset. If $1K complete is a 'budget' commuter in 2023 then I'd better baby 'Red' because the CFO is not going to allow any n+1 at that price point.
03-05-23, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by grolby
What’s interesting is the bike in the photo looks like it doesn’t have rear rack mounts, but does have a full set of fork mounts. I wonder if it’s just a preproduction bike in the photo, me missing something, or a classic Surly quirk.
03-05-23, 12:20 PM
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I find it clearly designed to take a front rack, with a rear rack as the second option. It still has the dual eyelets at the dropouts in the rear. You could use a collar mount for the upper stays, or a single to the fender eyelet.
But it has more mounting holes on the fork. Top, mid, and dropout. Low rider, or not low rider, or basket. Notably not 3-pack. And it definitely has fender mounts.
There are some things about the bike that I don’t like. That’s going to be true for any bike presented at mass market to picky people. But no Surly ever made has had not enough braze-ons for its niche
But it has more mounting holes on the fork. Top, mid, and dropout. Low rider, or not low rider, or basket. Notably not 3-pack. And it definitely has fender mounts.
There are some things about the bike that I don’t like. That’s going to be true for any bike presented at mass market to picky people. But no Surly ever made has had not enough braze-ons for its niche
