I agree. I wore two tees under my windbreaker today, along with jeans, gloves and thin bacalava under my helmet. No long johns. You got to dress so you're cold at first and not too hot after about 5 minutes of riding.

Hmmm..
That reminds me of this dude who passed me like a breeze the other day... with a bike that had tires not much bigger than a plate.

Yer as much of a bully in real life as you are on the forums.

Well I'm 100% with you there!

I vote we ban banning.

I detect an endless loop! Ban banning so we can't ban banning but how could we ban banning when the banning was never allowed but then you couldn't...... ugh my head.

Hell I still smoke and I can vouch for how unpleasant it is. Worse is walking into a smoke filled room from the semi-fresh outside air. I don't have a problem with people not wanting smoke in their environment, but there should be places that smokers can go to get a meal, see a show, have a drink, socialize etc. I figure a private establishment should be able to declare 'smokers only' and only hire people who either smoke, or sign a waiver stating that they are working in a smoke-filled environment of their own free will. But I guess freedom and all that stuff only applies to the majority. When I quit, I'll prolly become a raving anti-smoking nazi! :eek:

please don't do that. I made the mistake of venturing into Foo..and that post is too close to what I saw there. :eek:

So you'd be in favor of a chemical plant being allowed to hire workers who signed a waiver that it was OK for them to breathe fumes from nitric acid? :rolleyes:

FWIW, the laws banning smoking in public places are primarily for the safety of workers. Breathing the filthy dangerous by-product of your nasty habit is a workplace health and safety issue...it's not an issue of "personal freedom".

SSP--

FYI, this new law in Ohio was passed by a majority of voters. I don't believe it was sponsored or initiated by OSHA or EPA any related workers safety type group. It should have been as I think those groups have the right (and responsibility) to protect worker's health. If it had, it would be received much better. The way it came off, however, is that the majority rules. I can understand why smokers are mad.

Obviously, OSHA and the Ohio lawmakers punted on this one and left the dirty business up to the voters.

Read what I wrote, paying close attention to the word 'private establishment', comrade.

I hadn't heard about the Ohio law change...that's pretty amazing. I used to go to Cinci regularly for business, and was always astounded to see people walking around inside of buildings and malls smoking cigarettes. I go weeks in California without smelling a cigarette, and that's the way I like it.

As for banning them...I'm not in favor of that. For *all* drugs (including nicotine), they should just tax the crap out of it to discourage the behavior, but not so much that it encourages a black market.

LOL...so chipcom officially has dialed it up to 400W.

I'm telling you...the OCP crowd is slowly pulling you into the fold big guy. ;)

If, by private establishment, you mean your home or the home of your friends, then there's no issue.

But, if you mean a "private club with employees" then it becomes a workplace health and safety issue. You can't require employees to breathe filthy dangerous chemicals, regardless of whether it's a "public", or a "private" space.

No I mean a private establishment, as in a private club. Smoking is a requirement of membership and employment...if you don't want to visit or work there, don't. But you'll scream 'discrimination', which in this case is horsepucky, IMO. If the government can 'hire' people to go into harms way, they got no moral ground to stand on when it comes to this issue. Why shouldn't a smoker have the same rights as non-smokers when it comes to employment....a place where they can practice their habit without infringing upon the rights of others. I'll tell you why, because of busy-bodies who feel the need to inflict their will upon everyone else. Well guess what, they already exist...except they ain't paying taxes, payroll or otherwise, because they are strictly under the table - because government and busy-bodies didn't learn the lessons of prohibition or the 'drug war'.

Is that why I am having nightmares of buying pink team kit? :eek:

Too late. :D

I doubt it. He was definitely the Knave in this scenario.

A coal mine could also be considered a "private establishment"...it's not open to the public.

But coal mine operators are required by law to provide for their worker's safety. They can't get around those laws by having the workers sign a waiver.

It's no different with "private clubs"...they are still places of employment, and workplace safety laws can and should apply.

Of course, if you want to lobby for an exemption for addicts under the Americans With Disabilities Act, you might have a claim. :rolleyes:

I agree. Here is the middle ground. Allow smoking in private establishments that require membership. Then provide workers with respirators like any other hazardous workplace environment does.

:beer:

even though I'm still chuckling with amusement at having read Chipcom's story I've almost completely forgotten what it was about after reading all the tangents people went off on.

I climbed (on foot) the volcano on the island of Stromboli (the most active volcano in the world). We took the most challenging and scenic route (we were filming a documentary). The guide who led us climbs the volcano every day. He was like a billy goat the way he ripped up this thing and when he would get ahead of us we'd find him waiting for us- smoking a cigarette!- it blew my mind.

You were smokin' today that's fer sure.

and talk about a dangerous, smokey, workplace environment!- BTW we all had to sign a 3 page release to be there.

I like that idea...imagine a smoker's bar with the bartenders and waitresses dressed in Level A chemical suits. :D

http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/images/suit-ty600fv.jpg

This reminds me of the true story of the late, great, Beryl Burton. During the 1967 season, a male rider was in the process of setting a new national men's 12hr TT record when Bery passed him on the way to setting a better women's national 12hr TT record and offered him a sweet/candy.

Her record of 277.25 miles is still unbeaten, anywhere in the world AFAIK. His was, I believe, 276.52 miles

Thanks for that tidbit. However, Beryl's 12 hour TT record only lasted 2 years, per Wikipedia.

The story about the candy is, apparently true.

It's not the smoking that turns me off, it's the stench of cars and trucks as I work my way up the 59th Street Bridge twice a day...

While I was studying in Bangkok ages back I considered cigarettes to qualify as air filters even though I didn't smoke...