Thanks again -=£em in Pa=- ;) SDRider, Here you go, another re-post ;)
"When compared to other areas I guess I do live in a kinda crappy area, but Im never in "FEAR" for my safety or "FEAR" for the safety of my family, heres a quote from my last post,"Do I worry about my family 24-7? your damn right I do! and it would be the same no matter where I lived!" See? I WORRY, fear has nothing to do with it, if I was afraid I wouldnt be here taking care of mine Id be in some high end area paying high end prices just for the illusion of "all being well" Im one of a few people that know that BS is everywhere and Im as prepared as I can be to deal with it should it come, thats all, I love my family and would gladly give up my life for them, does this mean that I live in fear, no, just means I love them is all and remember you shouldnt just assume that someone needs improvment on their life just because they live in what some consider a "bad area" I never said I was poor, or sad, or misrable, Im none of that, finacially Im doing well, Im very happy to be in my situation, and Im no where near misrable! My neighborhood is an "up and coming" area so Im just sticking it out when things get better Ill STILL be in MY neighborhood Thanks for the concern though" Heres another one that you prob didnt read "Wow! Do you not know how to read?! Please, do read the prior posting completely and try to comprehend at least a little bit before making stupid assumtions :rolleyes: if you ever get to meet me youll know that Im in no way a super macho kindof a guy! :roflmao: thats like the dumbess thing Ive ever heard! :roflmao: in fact Im just about as liad back as any person can be, being as prepared as I can doesnt make me afriad :) read on and MAYBE youll understand the written word of the guy thats,"so afraid of your own shadow all the time/living in constant fear of everything" :lol: thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard! if you knew me and hung out with me just for a day youd be apologizing for the dumbess assumption youve ever made :) well maybe not the dumbess YOUVE ever made, Im sure there has been others :) So for now we can agree to disagree :)

Take a close look at the next bicycle mounted police officer you see. This might only work in an area were sometimes police officers patrol on bikes.

Yeah I know....now :o MrCjolsen sent me a PM as not to make me look to foolish :) Thanks MrCjolsen :D ( I mentioned to him that the first image to come to mind was batman! :lol: )

+1

I've never even needed a patch kit, why would I need a gun?

A howitzer on an extended Bob trailer or Extracycle?

I would agree with you in any general situation, but I had inside information that these kids don't carry guns ;)

They've been a nuisance in that neighborhood for a long time, but are only nuisances while parents are away. Not saying their parents are great folks, but when they leave harassment commences. Police have been called numerous times, but it has never amounted to anything. Bottom line is they're known for using knives to get wallets, and in other areas for actually particpating in a few stabbings.

The flash of the gun said "Even if you have a gun, one of you will get shot." So I put my kid at risk, but you know what? My kid was already at risk. Might as well let him know this time there would be consequences, and see if it would alleviate the risk as it could hardly elevate it. Kids never bugged me again, and many hoodlum kids started treating me with a different level of respect.

Think what you will, but my pistola is a big one, and I know for a fact it deters folks more than prompts them.

See, this guy just got road raged, he knows how to deal with it without a handgun....


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"we'll nuke 'em from orbit, its the only way to be sure"

This is what I use. Take your pick. This is good stuff, if you use it responsibly. I haven't had to use mine yet. But if I do they will be one sorry SOB. www.preventsecurity.com

I truly hope you never get the answer to that question.

Originally Posted by MMACH 5 "Best weapons:
Common sense
Strong legs"



This is like the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! Lets see how far you get if some guy has a gun pointed in your face, I dont care how fast you can think or run, your never going to out run or out think a bullet :rolleyes: I keep my eyes peeled for out of place junkies and thieves, and keep a straight head when I see someone I think might be suspicious, will that always work? prob not as one cannot always tell who the crooks are, but it does give me a tad bit advantage over everyone else thats walking around like they havnt a care in the world I can tell you that ;) and it doesnt change my mood, just my level of awareness :) and for you guys that think Im a nutcase, I learnned this when I trained with the Phila. Police Dept while I was a member of the Phila. Prison System Shooting team, I was Politely asked not to take place in the annual shooting Comp as I was right out of the acadamy and the rest of the team wanted a chance at winning that year =) made me feel great!

(*golf clap*)

well played. I'll just use my +1 boots of speed...:p

As for smashing windows with ball berings, use the ceramic half of an old spark plug.
1 or 2 in a pocket are much lighter and more effective.


THEN throw in the grenade...

Also, a 5" blade mounted on the seat tube is a non-concealed solution that is also a
deterrence, IF you know how to use it.

No matter what weapon you use, be proficient in its use!! I can disarm ANY rookie
packing a blade or firearm within 10'. and NEVER pullout a weapon unless it is
DEFINITELY going to draw blood.
CE

Use a small diver's knife, if they can take saltwater then a bit of rain and road crud wont hurt them any.

Problem is that says Replica on the side :D

I wonder who will be the first member: shot, crushed, beaten, gang r@ped... by some psycho in a car.

I have a catalog around the cave here somewhere that lists a flare pistol, like you'd have on your boat, and capsicum pepper rounds for it for about $65.

Supposedly it's legal to carry so long as it's not lethal, but I'd check the local regs before getting one.

"carry and 'air zounds', pepper spray, 480 ftprsec bb gun w/an 18 shot mag"

I like the Air Zounds thing - maybe I'll get one.

When I saw "weapons" on this thread I jumped to weapons against dogs. My main concern is dogs. Then drivers doing dangerous not intending to hurt. Then a very very remote possibility of an attack by a person.

How easy is pepper spray to use, really? How well does it stop a big big dog? Can I get it out and use it fast enough? How safe is it? We used to carry mace. My ex maced me accidently while I was driving our tandem. It did seem to get dogs to leave.

How easy is it to use a gun from a bike? I've used guns before. Twice in self defense. I'm one of those people who can actually hit things rapid fire, either hand. I'm not sure how good I'd be straddling a stationary bike in road shoes. I'd think stopped in a stable position and being approached by an individual on foot is the most likely effective use against people from a bike. If they're armed and firing, what would I be doing standing there aiming**********!!!!! Seems other things would work fine under those circumstances. Regardless, I'd use a revolver were I to carry on a bike. No casings with fingerprints and revolvers sink just fine.

Stun gun and an ultrasonic dog repeller along with a super loud whistle look acceptable to me. I'm mainly concerned about contact and those things look reasonable. The horn might be better, something I can get to instantly.

I do think shooting a car seems unrealistic. Under what circumstances? I'd rather be taking evasive actions. I've only used a gun for defense when cornered and attacked with no easy out. Twice and both times blocked in by a vehicle when in a vehicle, rural environments, nasty boys. For that type of situation a .22 isn't likely to be ideal, and everything else seems to weigh something! Still, perhaps a carry weapon would be better. I just don't like carrying such stuff. I don't think I'd ever carry something capable of easily disabling a car. Considering they'll run on flat tires long enough to roll over me!

I got trained in using knives, too, but I simply can't see how I'd use one. I can't really move in cycling shoes.

On the other hand, I'm going to set up a commuting bike for normal shoes and start riding to work directly, instead of taking a 10 mile plus road route. I'll be going in dimmer conditions when the rush hour weirdos come out. Perhaps a carry gun isn't such a bad idea - maybe a flare gun!!

I don't live in the US. And i'm glad i don't live in such a weapon obsessed culture. Sure, we get the occasional shooting here, usually in the same bits of London or Manchester and normally for the same reaons that it happens in the USA - drugs and gangs. But when it happens its a news story for the next two weeks...

I have to agree with Mr. ""Best weapons:
Common sense
Strong legs" "

I got hassled by some drunk chavs riding home to my main train station one evening. I was crossing a bridge with a MUP, they did that trick of yelling something incoherent right in my face as i passed, followed by a load of abuse. Being in a somewhat exuberant mood after a stressful day and a fun roller coaster ride through heavy traffic, i turned and gave them a classic British two finger salute (i believe it's due for a revival after years of the one-finger variant imported from the other side of the Atlantic) and expressed my belief that they had unsavoury personal habits. They took offence at this and gave chase. I was fully amused by this, and rode off at a sprint. As a passed the end of the path, i noticed a discarded bike chain and considered stopping and picking it up. I also thought of stopping and extending the bladed part of the leather-man type multi-tool that lives in my messenger bag (i find the pliers useful).

Instead i used my knowledge of my route to slip through a couple of back streets and disappear.

Nobody got hurt, they were a little affronted, and i got a bit of a workout. When i arrived at the station, i took out my mobile phone and dialed the first two digits of the emergency number in case they managed to work out where i'd gone (fat chance). If i had kept my adrenalin in check and my mouth shut, they wouldn't have come after me. If any of us had been armed, someone probably would have died. Producing a weapon means that you have to be prepared to use it or have it taken from you. If this had been Plymouth Massachusetts, not Plymouth Devon, its quite likely that they would have been armed, or i might have been. Instead we all got home. Well, i did. They probably picked a fight with some other drunk idiots and got arrested for drunk and disorderly... :D

I like it here, thanks...

"I don't live in the US. And i'm glad i don't live in such a weapon obsessed culture" I also am glad you dont live in the U.S. :) Dont forget who started us fighting against tyrants :rolleyes: We kicked your panzy English asses once before didnt we? Im sure we can do it again if we had to! (Doesnt feel to good when someone knocks your country does it? ;) )

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I'll say the single most effective weapon on the planet is a human brain that actually sees use.

This statement, along with just about everything else you've written in this thread, has me convinced that you are precisely the type of person who shouldn't have access to firearms. Angry paranoid people do not need ranged weapons.

Then we agree on something. :):rolleyes:

Dude, our unofficial national anthem goes: "no-one likes us, we don't care" (to the tune of yankee doodle dandy, ironically). Feel free to knock my country as much as you like.

As far as i remember from history, the 'fighting against tyrants' bit was started by the french (they had this little revolution thing which spread across the atlantic), and you lot copied it. 'Course, we were standing up to nazi germany while your current president's grandpappy was selling them weapons, but that doesn't count does it?

And that's not how you spell pansy. :p

The best weapon IS common sense. Always will be. Indisputable.

Better be careful. ilikebikes is bound to pop up and tell you that's the dumbest thing he's ever heard. Oh, the irony....

Common sense also equates to being prepared, thus, I choose to carry something other that just my senses.

I guess, we can just all agree to disagree, and I'm fine with that. If one thinks he/she doesn't need a weapon then just let them be. What bothers me though, is how other people in this thread pass judgement on those of us who do, like we are overly paranoid for allowing ourselves to excercise our right to self defense. If you choose not to (or just can't) carry a weapon, then that's you choice, but don't despise us who can.
BTW, paranoia to me, means "heightened awareness". I see nothing wrong with that.

Main Entry: para·noia
Function: noun
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others

(emphasis mine)

Having a heightened awareness of your surroundings is great. Worrying about how they can get you at any minute is not so great.

No big deal bro, just thought that a little nation bashing was due in response to yours :) Thanks for the spelling lesson by the way, I thought that looked kinda wierd ;)

Not my fault that we were all given the gift of free will which includes the option to disagree :p Im sorry if I hurt you feelings in a prior posting =( Geez! some people are such panzys.....Oooops pansys! =)

I'm fully aware of the dictionary's version. Do you ever realize that "gay" doesn't really mean "happy" at times? My take on paranoia is on the same line as that.

Why not? :)


You must not be reading or watching the news all this years. Or maybe you're living in isolation?

Thanks for checking my spelling, BTW.

I understand that. If you look up "gay" in the dictionary, both the definitions are there. If you look up "paranoia", all the definitions make reference to either delusions of persecution or other irrational and unfounded fear. There is no definition of paranoia that I've found which means "a well founded, rational, logical, heightened awareness of one's environment."



I don't live in isolation. I'm well aware of what's going on in the world. The news is 30 minutes of concentrated "here's what went wrong today!" If you live your life in fear of everything that the talking heads on the 6 o'clock news tell you to be frightened of, you'll never leave the house. (Or you'll be convinced that you need to pack a large caliber handgun if you do step out the front door.)