The same, but the downtown area is bigger with lots of shops, events, and during the day workers. Or Glenwood Ave is packed with people. And of course the college kids are everywhere.

I could maybe see it if you live in Cary, but most of Raleigh has a lot of pedestrians.

[gross and possibly offensive generalization]

Unless you're under 6, your dad has just taken off your training wheels, and he's running behind holding your saddle and shouting encouragement, you shouldn't ride your bike on the sidewalk.

[/gross and possibly offensive generalization]

I hate riding on the sidewalk. It's pretty scary, but there are some parts of L.A. where I fear for my life on the street so i'll take a little sidewalk detour. It's not illegal in most places around here as long as you're not being dangerous to pedestrians, so I don't mind doing it if I feel the need, but mostly I do ride on the road.

On a related note, I never could understand why people let other people get to them. I learned long ago (mostly due to L.A. traffic) that sometimes, you just gotta let things go. There will always be people that are doing something you won't agree with, getting angry about it won't change it.

5-13 years old I rode my bike on the sidewalk, never had a problem.

I don't think you should expect kids on bikes to ride on the street.

Speed limits out here are 45mph and there are 5 lane roads, so it's a little different maybe from where you guys are from.

No, you're right. But I do expect adults on bikes to ride on the street.

I agree that you shouldn't let things bother you. But you can still point it out and feel better about your superior nature.

And no, I don't care if kids are riding on the sidewalk.

I agree.

I'll tell that to my friend who lives on one end of a MUP, works on the other, and (hold on to your seat now, this is gonna hurt you) RIDES TO AND FROM WORK ON THE MUP! I know...we should probably shoot her or at least put her in jail for not doing things they way some clueless, insecure little richard things they should be done!

BTW, since you used the term 'gooner', how about explaining to these good folks what it means?

We don't have MUPs in NC. Sorry we're not up to your enlightened state of development.

It's like a goon with er on the end.
Sweet eh?

I work from home, but try to commute by bike as much as possible when I visit clients.

Anyways, I'm a smoker and don't smoke inside, so I headed out for a smoke and open up my laptop to visit this forum.

Clicked on the "Commuters on the sidewalk" thread, and what do I see right in front of me as I am reading this thread? A guy riding his bike, going the wrong way on a one-way street, on the sidewalk.

God knows why he was wearing a helmet.

I ride part of my route to work on the path, this is however on a main link road, there's just not enough room for cars to pass me as there 's traffic flowing both ways all the time.
Now I have not 'til this day seen anyone walking this route, funny that I see 1:20 walkers to cyclists on any of my cycles routes. Most people if I do see them are at the bus stop.
There're times and places where cycling on the path IMO is OK. Now busy streets (houses etc) shouldn't be a place for a path cyclist, the road is good enough for them.
Not wanting to have a bash at the motors but there's a place that a white van parks on the path, so much infact that there's now a dirt track going around it. Maybe I'll see the police having a quiet word with them? On other routes riding on the road is asking to be killed, you see drivers doing silly overtaking etc, so much infact I've not once been told to get off the path by police on bikes, even they are on the paths. So IMO using your judgement on this, it isnt black and white as it would seem.

Sometimes you get some clues from the words themselves:

• MUP = Multi-user path, designed for peds, cyclists, wheelchair users, and skaters. Meant to be shared by all.
• Sidewalk = sideWALK, designed for walkers, wheelchairs also permitted. Bikes allowed only if they're very careful.
• Gooner = goon with "er" on the end of it. (according to capolover)
• street = it's alreet for bikes to be there. Cars allowed only if they're very careful.

Um, I think one-way signs pertain to the street itself, not to the sidewalks.

The main time I ride on the sidewalk is when there's a one-way street and my destination is the "wrong way" from where I am. Guess I'm too lazy to go around the block and circle back to where I want to go.

They aren't "officially" labeled MUP's ... yet. We do have paths that are multi-user.

The American Tobacco Trail
Paved path in and around RTP
The Greenway [Chapel Hill / Carborro]

Now if we could only get a path running the full length of the Eno River!

Gooner was (maybe still is) a term used by some military folk (not an angel like me, of course ) to describe the locals in many parts of the Pacific Rim and SE Asia. I hadn't heard it in a long time. Where's Slvoid, I just remembered a new name to call him!

How about a path that runs from downtown to cary?

You know, that would be really, really useful.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gooner

I've said it because when I was a kid we'd call really dorky people gooners.

Shrug.

Chipcom - you sure you don't mean gook?

1. The sidewalk is not illegal everywhere

2. It is safer sometimes

3. If i was on the sidewalk last week I would not have been run off the road by a transport truck.

4. Outside of the city limits in suburbia, most sidewalks are empty, especially at 6-7am

Depending on the weather and where I am at I will sometime hit the sidewalk on my commute, however when I am on the sidewalk I am much more observant to pedestrians, slowing way down and excusing myself when I pass them (not buzzing them). Also I pretty much come to a complete stop for every road I half to cross. When it's wet out I just don't feel comfortable sharing the road with the cars, I have seen too many accidents when it's wet out. When bike lanes are present I always ride on them which is about 3 quarters of my ride.

Wrong-way cyclists should cash in on the Specialized Langster London edition.

Kick 'em to the street.

+1

I may be old, but I ain't senile.
Gooner was synonymous with other complimentary words like gook, slope, slant, etc.

Alright guy everybody gave you sympathy when it happened and that was as it should be. But don't come around here and try to use that BS as evidence of why one should ride on the sidewalk. You didn't get run off the road. You crashed. Sorry it happened but thems the facts.

QFT

Spend enough time riding on the sidewalk and you will get yourself decorated by a car. Or you will decorate the drivers side of some car.

Riding in the street is dangerous also but i choose the street for efficiency reasons. Faster, smoother, safer in my opinion.

Drivers do not look for you when you are on the sidewalk. They will hit you.

I ride my road bike in the road. When I had a mountain bike, I road it on the sidewalk.