Commuters on the sidewalk.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Oh God they broken past the containment barrier!!!!!!!
RED ALERT RED ALERT, call the Air Force for a containment strike.
RED ALERT RED ALERT, call the Air Force for a containment strike.
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"Mommy? How did my daddy die? Was he killed in a war?"
"No honey."
"Was he a fireman who died rescuing people from a burning building?"
"no sweetheart, he wasn't a fireman."
"Was he a policeman who got shot trying to catch a bad guy?"
"No honey, he wasn't a policeman."
"Well, if he wasn't a soldier or a fireman or a policeman, then how did he die?"
"Well sweetheart, your daddy rode his bike on the road with cars even though there were sidewalks he could have used. He insisted that because it was legal for bikes to be on the road, they should be able to ride on the road with cars."
"Didn't daddy ever learn about matters of dejure and defacto?"
"Yes, your daddy was very smart, he knew about those things, but he was stubborn."
"I like my new daddy. He's a Republican who drives a big gas guzzling SUV with W stickers on it. He'll never get run over on a bicycle."
If you wanna fight that fight, go right ahead man. I'll take my chances and stay alive for my kids. I don't think bicycle road rights is a cause worth dying for. I don't wear any commuter gear other than a backpack and for the .5 miles of sidewalk I use before I get to the bike trail, I slow down or stop for pedestrians if I do happen to encounter them. (I don't encounter any in the morning.)
"No honey."
"Was he a fireman who died rescuing people from a burning building?"
"no sweetheart, he wasn't a fireman."
"Was he a policeman who got shot trying to catch a bad guy?"
"No honey, he wasn't a policeman."
"Well, if he wasn't a soldier or a fireman or a policeman, then how did he die?"
"Well sweetheart, your daddy rode his bike on the road with cars even though there were sidewalks he could have used. He insisted that because it was legal for bikes to be on the road, they should be able to ride on the road with cars."
"Didn't daddy ever learn about matters of dejure and defacto?"
"Yes, your daddy was very smart, he knew about those things, but he was stubborn."
"I like my new daddy. He's a Republican who drives a big gas guzzling SUV with W stickers on it. He'll never get run over on a bicycle."
If you wanna fight that fight, go right ahead man. I'll take my chances and stay alive for my kids. I don't think bicycle road rights is a cause worth dying for. I don't wear any commuter gear other than a backpack and for the .5 miles of sidewalk I use before I get to the bike trail, I slow down or stop for pedestrians if I do happen to encounter them. (I don't encounter any in the morning.)

I noticed several threads today about run ins with motorists. Eventually some of these people will figure out you cannot win a battle with a vehicle that weighs tons more than you.
Maybe if enough people ride on sidewalks there will be pressure to build bike paths.
I keeeed, I keeed.
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Yeah, I know. I'm exactly lazy enough to just deal with wind resistance because I couldn't be bothered to undo the hitch.
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Sorry - couldn't help it.
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All sidewalks do not go by buildings, when people here state that they ride on sidewalks I just assume that it's a long lone sidewalk with no people on it. We have plenty of those around here, I'll post pics if ya want.
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I used to have an orange bike.
But the fact that you being so accommodating and friendly is reason enough to hate you and yell at you.
Thank you for your cooperation.
But the fact that you being so accommodating and friendly is reason enough to hate you and yell at you.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
Last edited by chipcom; 06-18-08 at 07:35 PM.
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beer bottle whizzed by his head - hardly his first run-in with a hostile motorist.
Again, he was lucky.
"There have been stories of people getting hit upside the head with a beer bottle," said Feeser, who owns Lowcountry Bicycles in Beaufort.
For the serious cyclist, the streets can be mean.
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"You want to turn the other cheek and let it go, but sometimes you need to roll up to them at a stop light and say, 'What are you thinking?' " he said. "There's always an issue when you're out there in traffic with automobiles getting too close and thinking you should be on the sidewalk."
Stephanie Chiang and her boyfriend planned to have a great day.
In the morning, they bought helmets and rode their bicycles out to Tybee Island. They were riding back to Savannah along U.S. 80 before it got dark.
That is all they can remember.
"The next thing I remember, I was waking up at the hospital," Chiang, 20, said Tuesday afternoon.
She is at her mother's home in Pooler, recovering from injuries she suffered last Friday by a hit-and-run driver.
Chiang and Matt Barrow, 22, were struck by an older model white Dodge Ram pickup near Fort Pulaski as they biked toward downtown Savannah about 7:30 p.m.
Chiang, who was pulled from the marshes, suffered a fractured vertebra, a bruised lung and scrapes to her backside, arms and legs, and she required stitches in her chin.
Barrow, who had a chain-link bicycle lock wrapped around his chest, has three fractured vertebrae and a cracked rib and is stitched up under his arm.
"I can't lift anything," said Barrow, who runs Smooth, a downtown shop that serves frozen treats. "I'm in excruciating pain."
A couple riding behind the hit-and-run driver were crucial to the survival of Chiang and Barrow.
"You hate to think it was intentional, but it sure looked that way," said Jim Pedrick, who witnessed the incident along with his wife.
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Here is a quick search of the news in my area. I could not find any reports of bicyclists getting hit on the sidewalks.
Again, he was lucky.
"There have been stories of people getting hit upside the head with a beer bottle," said Feeser, who owns Lowcountry Bicycles in Beaufort.
For the serious cyclist, the streets can be mean.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"You want to turn the other cheek and let it go, but sometimes you need to roll up to them at a stop light and say, 'What are you thinking?' " he said. "There's always an issue when you're out there in traffic with automobiles getting too close and thinking you should be on the sidewalk."
Stephanie Chiang and her boyfriend planned to have a great day.
In the morning, they bought helmets and rode their bicycles out to Tybee Island. They were riding back to Savannah along U.S. 80 before it got dark.
That is all they can remember.
"The next thing I remember, I was waking up at the hospital," Chiang, 20, said Tuesday afternoon.
She is at her mother's home in Pooler, recovering from injuries she suffered last Friday by a hit-and-run driver.
Chiang and Matt Barrow, 22, were struck by an older model white Dodge Ram pickup near Fort Pulaski as they biked toward downtown Savannah about 7:30 p.m.
Chiang, who was pulled from the marshes, suffered a fractured vertebra, a bruised lung and scrapes to her backside, arms and legs, and she required stitches in her chin.
Barrow, who had a chain-link bicycle lock wrapped around his chest, has three fractured vertebrae and a cracked rib and is stitched up under his arm.
"I can't lift anything," said Barrow, who runs Smooth, a downtown shop that serves frozen treats. "I'm in excruciating pain."
A couple riding behind the hit-and-run driver were crucial to the survival of Chiang and Barrow.
"You hate to think it was intentional, but it sure looked that way," said Jim Pedrick, who witnessed the incident along with his wife.
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Here is a quick search of the news in my area. I could not find any reports of bicyclists getting hit on the sidewalks.
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And I actually do have an orange bike. Though they claim it's "flame duotone."
But it's orange.
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Originally Posted by chipcom
for normal people, yes, but I think the commuting forum has been overrun by A&S one-size-fits-all nannies lately.
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I only slapped your ass that one time...at band camp.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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OK, so the video wasn't destroyed like SOMEONE said it was?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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I hope it was an alto. Some things are best not viewed in HD.
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Because of this thread I took note of the times on the commute home i took the sidewalk. I work across the street from a college so I cut through campus and come up on a rather busy street (5:15pm) I take the sidewalk to avoid this traffic and I begin backpedaling to get my legs warmed up for a hill that I have coming up. As you can Imagine I'm going pretty slow so no worries.
Near the next intersection I stop get some water wait till no cars are coming and I get back on the road and roll up to the light. Light changes I go through the light ride up the street a bit till I start going up the hill. The street turns into a two lane road with a turning lane. People love to floor it up this hill and down the other side so I'm courteous and take the sidewalk up the hill so as not to slow everyone down as I huffd and puff my way up. I take a break at the top. traffic is much lighter on the other side of the hill so I take to the streets all the way down.
From there on out it's pretty flat and not busy so I take the lane. All in all I think I rode the sidewalk maybe a mile. Not to bad. As I build up my endurance I'll take it less and less. I've only been commuting for about 2 1/2 weeks now. I usually only find myself there when I'm tired and want to take it easy and rest up so as to not pass out before I get home lol. I am trying really hard not to be that guy that hops on and off sidewalks every few minutes and I can say I've steadily taken it less and less.
I think it's not a bad thing to take the sidewalk if you are going slow and are aware of pedestrians. If you are going fast get in the street.
Near the next intersection I stop get some water wait till no cars are coming and I get back on the road and roll up to the light. Light changes I go through the light ride up the street a bit till I start going up the hill. The street turns into a two lane road with a turning lane. People love to floor it up this hill and down the other side so I'm courteous and take the sidewalk up the hill so as not to slow everyone down as I huffd and puff my way up. I take a break at the top. traffic is much lighter on the other side of the hill so I take to the streets all the way down.
From there on out it's pretty flat and not busy so I take the lane. All in all I think I rode the sidewalk maybe a mile. Not to bad. As I build up my endurance I'll take it less and less. I've only been commuting for about 2 1/2 weeks now. I usually only find myself there when I'm tired and want to take it easy and rest up so as to not pass out before I get home lol. I am trying really hard not to be that guy that hops on and off sidewalks every few minutes and I can say I've steadily taken it less and less.
I think it's not a bad thing to take the sidewalk if you are going slow and are aware of pedestrians. If you are going fast get in the street.
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I hope it was an alto. Some things are best not viewed in HD.
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^^^^^this.
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before i started riding i would yell at bikes on the sidewalk "bikes do not belong on the sidewalk!"
now that i ride a bike i still yell "bikes do not belong on the sidewalk!"
now that i ride a bike i still yell "bikes do not belong on the sidewalk!"
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No Sidewalks.
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Just to clear it up, I'm not talking about:
1. kids on bmx bikes riding around their neighborhoods.
2. your last few blocks to work avoiding a one way street.
3. lugging around your brood of children.
4. MUPs. Raleigh doesn't have MUPs downtown and in most of the city. We have bike sanctioned roads.
5. Riding your grandma to the cupcake factory on your ****ing handlebars.
I'm talking about full gear commuters on slab white SIDEWALKS in very nonhostile areas of road for long clips.
1. kids on bmx bikes riding around their neighborhoods.
2. your last few blocks to work avoiding a one way street.
3. lugging around your brood of children.
4. MUPs. Raleigh doesn't have MUPs downtown and in most of the city. We have bike sanctioned roads.
5. Riding your grandma to the cupcake factory on your ****ing handlebars.
I'm talking about full gear commuters on slab white SIDEWALKS in very nonhostile areas of road for long clips.




