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Old 11-17-09 | 11:27 AM
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If a crook has a choice between a brand-new shiny Wal-Mart bike and a rusty, dented, spray-painted relic from 1988, he will take the new bike...even if it weighs 40 pounds and the rusty bike weighs 21 pounds.
Maybe. I was at my LBS when a twentysomething kid and his dad came in for a new wheel for his rusty beater bike. The old wheel hadn't broken -- it had gotten stolen. He had gotten that bike exactly for the reasons you describe, that it would be ignored because it's so old and crappy-looking.

Thieves will take anything, especially if it results in an operable bike somewhere else.
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Old 11-17-09 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi
Maybe. I was at my LBS when a twentysomething kid and his dad came in for a new wheel for his rusty beater bike. The old wheel hadn't broken -- it had gotten stolen. He had gotten that bike exactly for the reasons you describe, that it would be ignored because it's so old and crappy-looking.

Thieves will take anything, especially if it results in an operable bike somewhere else.
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A bike locked to the same pole as mine (a totally crappy old Russian beater) was recently stolen. Mine expensive bike was untouched. Mine had a top of the line U-lock, the beater had a flimsy cable lock.
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Old 11-19-09 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by djetelina
The ABUS granit x-plus is a pretty tough u-lock for sure. To help explain the shearing action of a bolt cutter as related to the shape of the target (chain, shackle, u-lock, cable) I would like to submit the following two (2) images:



Yes, the trapazoidal target has a very large surface contacting the cutter blade. Making it more difficult to initiate the "shearing" action, which a bolt cutter depends on to make its cut. When it comes to mechanical stuff, the Germans and Austrians are some pretty crafty engineers...

Thanks mate! Now I have a better understanding.

It seems that the polygonal approach will give a higher likelihood for the slippage of the bolt cutters if it were already locked onto the vertex of the shackle...
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Old 11-19-09 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by doug99
...although it should be noted that kryptonite will be happy to key locks alike. i have a kryptonite U and a disc lock(w/chain) keyed alike so i only need one key. of course, under your system, the U would still be a unique key your would have to carry...
So...I may have asked this before in this thread, but I'm sure I'd remember if I had actually gotten an answer. How would you get this done, and has anyone else actually gotten kryptonite to key 2 different locks (like a chain and a ULock) the same?

I've inquired through their website, through local bike shops...the answer always comes back as either "Kryptonite doesn't do that" or "Kryptonite only does that on their high end locks, and only for bike shop where they're ordering a ton of locks at once". :-(
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Old 12-13-09 | 02:14 AM
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It would be nice if law enforcement cared, and we didn't have to fight these idiots on our own.
I agree.
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Old 01-08-10 | 11:22 AM
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Old 11-06-13 | 01:29 PM
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Great thread, I'll read it all later. I wonder how many thieves, if repelled by locks, would just trash the bike out of frustration?
That's what happened to me in NY :/ they couldn't get past my NYFU U lock, even though I ended up having to leave the bike out in harlem for a week. So they just destroyed everything they could. Everything completely mangled. bastards!
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Old 12-19-16 | 06:40 AM
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Thieves do not pick locks, they break them.
Probably, but a friend got her expensive bike stolen while locked with a heavy-duty U lock (Fahgettaboudit from Kryptonite) to a lamppost on a busy street just a few meters from the cashier of a theater; They heard nothing, we found no trace of theft on the premises although I doubt the thief would sweep afterwards. Thus, it's likely that this was done by someone who does know how to pick locks. With the right tool and the right experience, it only takes 1-5mn to pick a lock:

Numerous bikes have also been stolen while "secured" with Abus Bordo locks:

The question I had is: Do U locks use different types of locks? If that's the case, is it possible to tell the type used by looking at the key, and which one is the most secure?

Thank you.
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Old 12-27-16 | 07:57 PM
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"Thieves do not pick locks, they break them"

Are there any material that you can apply to your lock that can gum up and wear down what's trying to cut or grind your lock?
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Old 12-28-16 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Winfried
The question I had is: Do U locks use different types of locks? If that's the case, is it possible to tell the type used by looking at the key, and which one is the most secure?

Thank you.
Picking locks isn't easy, it's a skill that takes a lot of time to develop, and picking the sorts of locks used in most modern bike locks is really difficult. I'm pretty decent with a pin tumbler lock, a useful skill to have if you are perpetually loosing your keys, and I'm absolutely flummoxed by the disc tumbler locks most manufacturers use.

The only type of key I would avoid is the tubular pin tumbler lock that kryptonite used to use. The one that could be easily opened with a bic pen.
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Old 12-28-16 | 10:20 AM
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OnGuard Vs Kryptonite is only 2 of the US seller brands , ABUS of Germany Is also Exported to the US, as Is AXA from the NL.

I have used Chains from those 2 companies , rather than cables, To augment my other locks, they also make.

then again, I retired in a Low population area..

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Old 02-04-17 | 12:53 AM
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I have used Line U lock with bike and when the thieves are not able to unlock it they have destroyed the whole bike.It was newly installed lock in the bike by a Locksmith.
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Old 02-04-17 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Winfried
Probably, but a friend got her expensive bike stolen while locked with a heavy-duty U lock (Fahgettaboudit from Kryptonite) to a lamppost on a busy street just a few meters from the cashier of a theater; They heard nothing, we found no trace of theft on the premises although I doubt the thief would sweep afterwards. Thus, it's likely that this was done by someone who does know how to pick locks. With the right tool and the right experience, it only takes 1-5mn to pick a lock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYv4uq_eML8

Numerous bikes have also been stolen while "secured" with Abus Bordo locks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc6vwWiQIk

The question I had is: Do U locks use different types of locks? If that's the case, is it possible to tell the type used by looking at the key, and which one is the most secure?

Thank you.
Abus Bordo is not a very good lock.
Abus Bordo Granit X-Plus, about 80 euro costing one, is a very good lock.

How to tell a good lock:
Bicycle locks

How to lock a bicycle:
Locking a bicycle
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