2 Right Turns + 1 U-Turn = Straight?
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2 Right Turns + 1 U-Turn = Straight?
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
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Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
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Originally posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
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U-turns are illegal almost everywhere in my part of the US. So I don't do it, but I don't think I would anyway because I'd feel so silly. I feel silly enough already looking like a giant fat insect on my bicycle.
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Originally posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
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Originally posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
Manderax
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Meanwhile, I keep dancing.
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
Manderax
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Meanwhile, I keep dancing.
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In the US, nearside turns are legal at a red light. You make a near side turn. Make a U turn, then another nearside turn. You have just crossed the junction.
Its not legal in the UK, but there are places I make a left at a red on a 3 rather than 4 way juntion.
Its not legal in the UK, but there are places I make a left at a red on a 3 rather than 4 way juntion.
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Originally posted by MichaelW
Its not legal in the UK, but there are places I make a left at a red on a 3 rather than 4 way juntion.
Its not legal in the UK, but there are places I make a left at a red on a 3 rather than 4 way juntion.
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Originally posted by purple hayes
Does that help clarify things?
PH
Does that help clarify things?
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As MichaelW said we can't make a turn against the lights over here, although I suppose there is the possibility if they have a separate right/left arrow. Not that I can see the point of making such a relatively complex manovoeur (brain's spellchecker malfunctioning) to save a few seconds...
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Originally posted by Richard D
Not that I can see the point of making such a relatively complex manovoeur (brain's spellchecker malfunctioning) to save a few seconds...
Richard
Not that I can see the point of making such a relatively complex manovoeur (brain's spellchecker malfunctioning) to save a few seconds...
Richard
It is less about saving a few seconds and more about keeping moving... keeping the momentum going... and not sitting at the light inhaling tailpipe fumes.
And sure, Chris L., I wouldn't do this in heavy traffic where I would be dodging tons of cars to make the U. But in low-to-moderate conditions...
And I am suprized how many riders are saying they don't do things "because it is illegal". C'mon, I mean how often have you cut a corner through a parking lot, and jumped that quik curb to make that shortcut? Don't misunderstand, I am a very courteous and safe rider, and I have respect for everyone on the road. Hell, I even smile and wave.
One of the reasons I love commuting is the agility and freedom of the bike. Road laws were written for big, cumbersome, clunky cars, then they took those and said, "ok, this applies for bikes, too". Well, bikes fall into a much grayer area. We don't need laws telling us exactly how to behave on a road. Riding is much more organic, less structured, and hence, should be more unregulated.
Stop signs are a perfect example. I commute through a residential section that has a stop sign about every two blocks. At each intersection, I am very safe, I slow to a reasonable speed, look both ways, and cruise through. But I am not going to bring my bike to a complete stop every two-hundred meters. That would be silly.
As such, it is also silly to say that I wouldn't make a quick U-turn just because it is "illegal". If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
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Originally posted by manderax
As such, it is also silly to say that I wouldn't make a quick U-turn just because it is "illegal". If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
As such, it is also silly to say that I wouldn't make a quick U-turn just because it is "illegal". If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
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Originally posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
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So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
Manderax
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Meanwhile, I keep dancing.
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Originally posted by JonR
No.
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No. It would be just as easy and quicker to run the red. By the time you make this manuver the light is likely to change. That midblock U-Turn seems just as unsafe as running the light, drivers sure aren't looking for you to do either but at least they are somewhat alert at intersections.
I commute in Washington DC. Traffic is awful but bikes pretty much get away with anything. So do I with the exceptions of riding the wrong way or on sidewalks.
I commute in Washington DC. Traffic is awful but bikes pretty much get away with anything. So do I with the exceptions of riding the wrong way or on sidewalks.
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Originally posted by manderax
It is less about saving a few seconds and more about keeping moving... keeping the momentum going... and not sitting at the light inhaling tailpipe fumes.
It is less about saving a few seconds and more about keeping moving... keeping the momentum going... and not sitting at the light inhaling tailpipe fumes.
Originally posted by manderax
And sure, Chris L., I wouldn't do this in heavy traffic where I would be dodging tons of cars to make the U. But in low-to-moderate conditions...
And sure, Chris L., I wouldn't do this in heavy traffic where I would be dodging tons of cars to make the U. But in low-to-moderate conditions...
Originally posted by manderax
And I am suprized how many riders are saying they don't do things "because it is illegal". C'mon, I mean how often have you cut a corner through a parking lot, and jumped that quik curb to make that shortcut?
And I am suprized how many riders are saying they don't do things "because it is illegal". C'mon, I mean how often have you cut a corner through a parking lot, and jumped that quik curb to make that shortcut?
Originally posted by manderax
One of the reasons I love commuting is the agility and freedom of the bike. Road laws were written for big, cumbersome, clunky cars, then they took those and said, "ok, this applies for bikes, too". Well, bikes fall into a much grayer area. We don't need laws telling us exactly how to behave on a road. Riding is much more organic, less structured, and hence, should be more unregulated.
One of the reasons I love commuting is the agility and freedom of the bike. Road laws were written for big, cumbersome, clunky cars, then they took those and said, "ok, this applies for bikes, too". Well, bikes fall into a much grayer area. We don't need laws telling us exactly how to behave on a road. Riding is much more organic, less structured, and hence, should be more unregulated.
Originally posted by manderax
Stop signs are a perfect example. I commute through a residential section that has a stop sign about every two blocks. At each intersection, I am very safe, I slow to a reasonable speed, look both ways, and cruise through. But I am not going to bring my bike to a complete stop every two-hundred meters. That would be silly.
Stop signs are a perfect example. I commute through a residential section that has a stop sign about every two blocks. At each intersection, I am very safe, I slow to a reasonable speed, look both ways, and cruise through. But I am not going to bring my bike to a complete stop every two-hundred meters. That would be silly.
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Originally posted by manderax
If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
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I think I'd have to agree with Manderax. I ride safely and super-alert for potential problems but, darn-it, I love the freedom of bikes. I like the feeling of being unbound by the road. I ride the same general route to/from work but some days I may jump a curb and cross a field and on other days I may not. Some days I may do the right-turn-u-turn-right-turn but other days I may just sit at the redlight and suck on my water bottle. Biking is freedom but that doesn't mean I'm rolling around like a loose cannon. I'm alert, scanning for information and adapting as the environment changes. Every ride is different. I'm sure this attitude may be seen as reckless by some but I don't think so. It's childish, it's a game, it's fun, but I know who'll win in a bike-car confrontation.
Besides, I turned 55 a few months ago so I don't really care what others may think about it . You know, I used to know all those rules of the road but I forgot 'em...and what was the question again?
Besides, I turned 55 a few months ago so I don't really care what others may think about it . You know, I used to know all those rules of the road but I forgot 'em...and what was the question again?
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I changed this post... I felt the karma coming to get me.
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Originally posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
Having confessed to at least some of my sins, I feel confident enough to say that I try to set a good example.
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The funny thing is, I often feel more like I'm doing something "wrong" when I am sitting in a left turn-lane like a car,
waiting for the green arrow.
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Originally posted by manderax
Complex?? A-hem.
Complex?? A-hem.
Originally posted by manderax
We don't need laws telling us exactly how to behave on a road.
We don't need laws telling us exactly how to behave on a road.
Originally posted by manderax
As such, it is also silly to say that I wouldn't make a quick U-turn just because it is "illegal". If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
As such, it is also silly to say that I wouldn't make a quick U-turn just because it is "illegal". If I am riding, and I want to turn around, and I think it to be safe, then dammit, I will turn around. Wouldn't you?
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I was standing on a street corner waiting for a city bus yesterday when I saw an intelligent-looking(1) cyclist on a road bike pull this stunt. I felt so ashamed I had to turn my back to him as he rode by. The drivers behind him HAD to think, "He cheated." What else are they going to think: "What a lucky guy! He's immune from the traffic laws that bind us poor clods to our brake pedals." I think not.
Face it: if we cyclists do things like this, and run red lights and stop signs, and ride on the wrong side of the street, we have no room to complain when non-cyclists start to try to make life difficult for us.
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(1) By "intelligent-looking" I mean his handlebars were not upside down, he was wearing a helmet, his fit to the bike was good, he was not carrying a boombox on one shoulder, etc.
Face it: if we cyclists do things like this, and run red lights and stop signs, and ride on the wrong side of the street, we have no room to complain when non-cyclists start to try to make life difficult for us.
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(1) By "intelligent-looking" I mean his handlebars were not upside down, he was wearing a helmet, his fit to the bike was good, he was not carrying a boombox on one shoulder, etc.
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Although I outgrew this bad habit decades ago, I do see at least one scenario under which it might make sense. If I am unable to trigger a green light and if I can make the U-turn safely in two sections by taking advantage of a center divider or center/left-turn lane, then I might be tempted to try it. I would do it, however, only if it were clearly safer than proceeding straight through the intersection.
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I generally ride a big steel frame bike. It triggers all of the loops I cross. Lord save us from the cities that relegate bikes to routes laid out in quiet neighborhoods. I know one route that has 6 stop signs in 10 blocks.
Two rights and a U? I did one several years ago. I have also made the right turn looped into a driveway, foot down, made a legal left turn, Right turn, and on my way. By the time I finished it all the light had cycled anyway so I did not bother after that. Going to the head of the queue? Usually I stop one car back and in front of the second vehicle and make eye contact. Too many times the first car makes a right turn without warning.
Life is not a race and I do not have medical coverage so I do not take too many chances.
Two rights and a U? I did one several years ago. I have also made the right turn looped into a driveway, foot down, made a legal left turn, Right turn, and on my way. By the time I finished it all the light had cycled anyway so I did not bother after that. Going to the head of the queue? Usually I stop one car back and in front of the second vehicle and make eye contact. Too many times the first car makes a right turn without warning.
Life is not a race and I do not have medical coverage so I do not take too many chances.
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Originally Posted by manderax
So, you pull up to the red light. All you have to do is turn right, pedal for 100 feet or so, pull a U-turn, take another right, and PRESTO, you are on your way, Right!?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
Do you commonly bend the rules like this, or are you a stickler?
If you can't get yourself to wait for the light, make your (legal) right turn on red, go down the road to the next street, turn left, and ride parallel for a bit. You can pick up your original path later. This lets you keep the flow you are looking for with fewer disadvantages.
Wackos and cops sometimes decide to do things about cyclists that irritate them. We all get picked on from time to time, but your riding style has a huge impact on your odds.