Car drivers delibarately block your path
#51
Senior Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,077
Likes: 4
From: Cary, NC
Bikes: 1983 Trek 500, 2002 Lemond Zurich, 2023 Litespeed Watia
If I am preparing to turn right in my car, I merge to the right edge of the lane to discourage cyclists from passing on my right.
If I am cycling, I stay away from the right side of the lane when approaching intersections. I pass right-turning traffic on the left. I don't pass traffic headed to the same direction. At red lights, I don't filter forward.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
If I am cycling, I stay away from the right side of the lane when approaching intersections. I pass right-turning traffic on the left. I don't pass traffic headed to the same direction. At red lights, I don't filter forward.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
#52
Senior Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,084
Likes: 4
From: Leeds UK
This seems to be one of those custom and practice things. Filtering up the inside is legal in the UK, but the Highway Code reminds cyclists to look out for left turning traffic when doing so. In my commuting days, I rarely had the OP's experience, probably because I was looking out for such difficulties.
It also rarely (IME) provokes the kind of response which seems common in the States
However, since he's based in London and there seems to be more cyclist/driver ire than in many parts of the country, perhaps it's a local thing.
It also rarely (IME) provokes the kind of response which seems common in the States
However, since he's based in London and there seems to be more cyclist/driver ire than in many parts of the country, perhaps it's a local thing.
Last edited by atbman; 02-09-10 at 04:39 PM.
#53
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 737
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Canada
If cyclists are going to "be" traffic, shouldn't they obey the laws of traffic? ie: Another car can't pass a string of cars on the right to get around them and pass them at a light. That's one of the things that pisses drivers off about cyclists; going to the front of the line at every light.
Bikes inhabit an interesting in between area in traffic law. For the most part, we follow the same rules as other vehicles, but traffic codes in most jurisdictions recognize than a bike and car can share wide lanes side by side. This is mostly for the benefit of motorists who want to pass us without changing lanes, but the law works both ways.
#54
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 961
Likes: 0
From: the Georgia Strait
Bikes: Devinci Caribou, Kona Dew Plus, Raleigh Twenty
I ride as far right as I can. If cars pass me coming up to the light, it's because their rate of speed is greater than mine. If the light turns red, they stop. I'm still on the right but now my speed is greater than theirs so I pass them until I get to the light and then I stop too. Pretty simple.
#55
Just to be clear, I don't block bike lanes unless there is a bus zone that I am servicing. We're trained to do that to keep cyclists from plowing into a passenger leaving the coach. (You'd be amazed at how many times I've seen that almost happen... Think: What happens when you see a bus pull over to a bus zone with nobody at the zone? Might that bus possibly be letting pedestrians off? Hmmmmmmm... )
If there is a bike lane and I'm at a red light I leave that open and just keep an eye out for cyclists so I know they are there. Yes, the same scenario I describe above can happen, cyclist planted in a blind spot, but at least there is more space for the cyclist so we should be able to happily coexist.
If there is a bike lane and I'm at a red light I leave that open and just keep an eye out for cyclists so I know they are there. Yes, the same scenario I describe above can happen, cyclist planted in a blind spot, but at least there is more space for the cyclist so we should be able to happily coexist.
#56
As I clarified in a post below, I *don't* do this in situations with bike lanes because it is indeed illegal (not to mention rude, stupid, and unnecessary). That said, it is legal, and often necessary for us to take a portion of the bike lane to make a turn. While I don't know the specific law here I'm sure we have to yield to a cyclist in that case.
A supervisor once told me that "you have a license to be a road hog, so use it". That, of course, does not preclude us from yielding where necessary. But we will frequently ignore lanes marked out for cars because we have no choice.
A supervisor once told me that "you have a license to be a road hog, so use it". That, of course, does not preclude us from yielding where necessary. But we will frequently ignore lanes marked out for cars because we have no choice.
#57
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 612
Likes: 0
From: NOWHERE
Bikes: noyb
BusBiker - how exactly does Metro explain this to drivers? I understand preventing cyclists from passing buses on the right (I don't do this either - the lanes are too narrow to share in most all cases downtown Seattle) but I have been curb pinched by buses several times in the past year. Yes, I take the lane which makes this even more of an issue for me - the buses forced me over from my position in the left side of the lane to the curb. Does Metro make it clear what the difference is between taking a lane with the bus and a executing a dangerous curb pinch to the cyclist?
#58
Closing off the lane when there isn't enough room to share is something I have picked up on my own - I don't recall training addressing this issue, although they are constantly addressing visibility issues I describe. Sadly, there isn't very much cycling specific training at Metro. I'd love to see a joint bus driver/cyclist training session that addresses the issues faced by both groups - unfortunately, there isn't much money laying around right now for extra training.
We are specifically trained to not "force" people anywhere, except as a fixed object. In other words, I'm not supposed to start pulling into a lane to force somebody to let me in. However, I can block the bike lane to prevent cyclists from passing on the right.
If you feel a bus driver is using their bus to intimidate you, I recommend getting the coach number, time, route, and location and call in a complaint with a detailed description of the incident. *Every* complaint Metro receives gets to the driver, usually in the form of a pow-wow with their immediate supervisor. The driver can be educated as to how they should have handled the incident. Complaints are also tracked and large numbers will result in ride checks by supervisors and possibly lead to discipline.
We are specifically trained to not "force" people anywhere, except as a fixed object. In other words, I'm not supposed to start pulling into a lane to force somebody to let me in. However, I can block the bike lane to prevent cyclists from passing on the right.
If you feel a bus driver is using their bus to intimidate you, I recommend getting the coach number, time, route, and location and call in a complaint with a detailed description of the incident. *Every* complaint Metro receives gets to the driver, usually in the form of a pow-wow with their immediate supervisor. The driver can be educated as to how they should have handled the incident. Complaints are also tracked and large numbers will result in ride checks by supervisors and possibly lead to discipline.
#59
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
From: Medford, OR
Closing off the lane when there isn't enough room to share is something I have picked up on my own - I don't recall training addressing this issue, although they are constantly addressing visibility issues I describe. Sadly, there isn't very much cycling specific training at Metro. I'd love to see a joint bus driver/cyclist training session that addresses the issues faced by both groups - unfortunately, there isn't much money laying around right now for extra training.
We are specifically trained to not "force" people anywhere, except as a fixed object. In other words, I'm not supposed to start pulling into a lane to force somebody to let me in. However, I can block the bike lane to prevent cyclists from passing on the right.
If you feel a bus driver is using their bus to intimidate you, I recommend getting the coach number, time, route, and location and call in a complaint with a detailed description of the incident. *Every* complaint Metro receives gets to the driver, usually in the form of a pow-wow with their immediate supervisor. The driver can be educated as to how they should have handled the incident. Complaints are also tracked and large numbers will result in ride checks by supervisors and possibly lead to discipline.
We are specifically trained to not "force" people anywhere, except as a fixed object. In other words, I'm not supposed to start pulling into a lane to force somebody to let me in. However, I can block the bike lane to prevent cyclists from passing on the right.
If you feel a bus driver is using their bus to intimidate you, I recommend getting the coach number, time, route, and location and call in a complaint with a detailed description of the incident. *Every* complaint Metro receives gets to the driver, usually in the form of a pow-wow with their immediate supervisor. The driver can be educated as to how they should have handled the incident. Complaints are also tracked and large numbers will result in ride checks by supervisors and possibly lead to discipline.
I have thought about it though. Around here the bus's are perty cool. (smaller bus's) they can see us and normally don't block the lane until you pass them. Every once in awhile they will stop and it takes so long to load unload that you come upon them already in the lane. There is always plenty of room in the lane they are in to go around them, on the left. My rule with bus's, is ether pass or stay behind I won't just ride next to them. Same with large trucks.
#60
This morning, I was riding down one of my longer suburban stretches and a guy in front of me continued to drive in the bike lane. I didn't really have to slow down (the wind was in my face so I wasn't going too fast), but after 4 blocks I began to worry he might be harassing me. Fortunately, he was just lost. It kind of weirded me out tho!
#61
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,720
Likes: 111
From: North of Boston
Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,
I'm fortunate not to have to ride in a lot of city traffic with lights. I just have to deal with the suburbanites, pick your poison. I only filter on the right if the traffic light is red, I do not pass cars on the right.
#62
Arizona Dessert

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 15,029
Likes: 2,170
From: AZ
Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix, Lemond Poprad. Retired: Jamis Sputnik, Centurion LeMans Fixed, Diamond Back ascent ex
pass on left, always
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1evksPoXkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NnobUTTcHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1evksPoXkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NnobUTTcHk
#63
Guest
Posts: n/a
If I am preparing to turn right in my car, I merge to the right edge of the lane to discourage cyclists from passing on my right.
If I am cycling, I stay away from the right side of the lane when approaching intersections. I pass right-turning traffic on the left. I don't pass traffic headed to the same direction. At red lights, I don't filter forward.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
If I am cycling, I stay away from the right side of the lane when approaching intersections. I pass right-turning traffic on the left. I don't pass traffic headed to the same direction. At red lights, I don't filter forward.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
If you only learn one thing about surviving in traffic on a bicycle, it should be to position yourself at intersections according to your destination. If you're going straight through the intersection, don't position yourself to the right of potential right-turning vehicles.
#64
Senior Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,084
Likes: 4
From: Leeds UK
If I am preparing to turn right in my car, I merge to the right edge of the lane to discourage cyclists from passing on my right.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
I understand that some people experience enough congestion that they feel tempted to filter forward, particularly to make a green light. This hasn't been enough of a concern on my commutes to bother. Sometimes I miss a green light due to the length of the traffic queue, but not very often, and not enough for me to consider invonveniencing drivers by making them overtake me more than once.
#65
I must confess that I've always been a little puzzled by this frequently expressed argument. How exactly does it inconvenience a driver to overtake you more than once? Unless he is obliged to wait to get past you because the lane is narrow and the adjacent one is crowded, where is the inconvenience?
#66
Dances With Cars
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 10,527
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Bikes: TBL Onyx Pro(ss converted), Pake SS (starting to look kinda pimped)
Left right filter thread
Hard jam slow cram
The Quick or The Dead.
Adapt or Die. Be where cars don't want to be and don't be there when they change their minds, it's just that simple.
If I leave them behind by going through a red safely, I generally don't see them again.
Hard jam slow cram
The Quick or The Dead.
Adapt or Die. Be where cars don't want to be and don't be there when they change their minds, it's just that simple.
If I leave them behind by going through a red safely, I generally don't see them again.
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Being a cyclist makes you a better bus driver.
#68
The Drive Side is Within


Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,344
Likes: 47
From: New Haven, CT, USA
Bikes: Road, Cargo, Tandem, Etc.
City bus drivers around these parts are, IME and in my observation, good and courteous drivers.
School bus drivers, on the other hand, can do some pretty rude and dangerous things to a cyclist. My impression is that they are in a rush to get to the next school-- they have to take all the high schoolers first, then rush back to run the elementary kids home.
I blame the bus companies for trying to squeeze profits out of the schedules and routes.
School bus drivers, on the other hand, can do some pretty rude and dangerous things to a cyclist. My impression is that they are in a rush to get to the next school-- they have to take all the high schoolers first, then rush back to run the elementary kids home.
I blame the bus companies for trying to squeeze profits out of the schedules and routes.
__________________
The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley
The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley
#69
Absolutely. The skill-sets are quite compatible - I only wish I could institute a program requiring *all* bus drivers, actually - drivers of any motor vehicle, to be proficient urban cyclists before they are allowed behind the wheel. Now *that* would make life easier and more pleasant for all...
#70
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Likes: 3
From: UK
Absolutely. The skill-sets are quite compatible - I only wish I could institute a program requiring *all* bus drivers, actually - drivers of any motor vehicle, to be proficient urban cyclists before they are allowed behind the wheel. Now *that* would make life easier and more pleasant for all...
#71
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 13,863
Likes: 6
From: Washington, DC
Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?
^^^ Except that, at least among people my age, almost everybody grew up riding bikes. I don't think that more than one or two other kids on my block didn't have a bike.
#72
Randomhead
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 25,930
Likes: 4,825
From: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
I must confess that I've always been a little puzzled by this frequently expressed argument. How exactly does it inconvenience a driver to overtake you more than once? Unless he is obliged to wait to get past you because the lane is narrow and the adjacent one is crowded, where is the inconvenience?
#73
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 13,863
Likes: 6
From: Washington, DC
Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?






