What is the Poor Man's Rivendell?
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Yup yup yup. And I really enjoy this thread, because it shows a lot of thought, which is what the real and fake Rivendells show. Sometimes it's overthinking, and I guess that's what I'm into.
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Tons of 1980s lugged sport tourers out there available to purchase waiting for you to snap up and build up to your liking.
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Here is my good old trusted trekking/city bike from Fahrrad Manufaktur in Germany. Over 23 years old. Still very solid, absolutely no rust and rides like new. 62cm (24") steel frame, cantilever brakes, Sachs/SRAM 3x7 shifter, Brooks saddle. Almost all original except the front basket, Surly front rack and the new B&M dynamo lights.
I just recently replaced the rear hub, repacked the bearings and replaced the chain. Should be good for many more years.
I think the Rivendells are way too overpriced. For way less than that I can get a brand new bike from Fahrrad Manufaktur or Utopia in Germany and have it shipped here to the US.
I just recently replaced the rear hub, repacked the bearings and replaced the chain. Should be good for many more years.
I think the Rivendells are way too overpriced. For way less than that I can get a brand new bike from Fahrrad Manufaktur or Utopia in Germany and have it shipped here to the US.
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The Google Rivendell Owner's group has a discussion going on about what constitutes a "Rivish" bicycle. It seems the thread starter was at RBW and mentioned to an employee that his bike wasn't very "Rivish" and the employee disagreed, even though the bike in question had an aluminum frame, a carbon fork and disc brakes. Some of the responses in that thread surprised me.
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Here is my Rivish bike. Thanks for that word. The unrivish feature is the low-spoke-count rear wheel. I used it because I had it on hand. I would not build a wheel like that for myself. But it's holding up. I carry my luggage over my stout front wheel.
The frameset is a 1974 Raleigh International. Sorry about the cluttered background.
The frameset is a 1974 Raleigh International. Sorry about the cluttered background.
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Here is my Rivish bike. Thanks for that word. The unrivish feature is the low-spoke-count rear wheel. I used it because I had it on hand. I would not build a wheel like that for myself. But it's holding up. I carry my luggage over my stout front wheel.
The frameset is a 1974 Raleigh International. Sorry about the cluttered background.
The frameset is a 1974 Raleigh International. Sorry about the cluttered background.
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I've been fairly impressed with some of them; rebuilt a chrome Diamondback last week that turned out rock solid and pretty darn nice looking just from cleaning it up, repacking bearings and replacing cables and grips. The real surprise, though was a Galaxy "All Terrain Cruiser" that was a hideous combination of faded lavender and white, with lettering that looked like somebody just bought the letters at WalMart and stuck them on. Stripped it down, repainted in the local HS colors, rebuilt everything right, took it out for a test ride, and I'd have to say it was insanely comfortable, though dead slow for my taste. Not sure what it is about the geometry, but even though it's clearly too small for me, it adjusts nicely for a huge range of sizes without getting that "trying too hard to make a wrong-size bike work" feel.
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I suppose, for me, it'd be one of the decent lugged, relaxed-geometry MTB frames of the 1980's paired with a collection of quality "period" components.
A modern rendition: probably something like a V-O Piolet or Campeur frame, done up similarly.
Something like this: V-O Piolet @ BlueLug; or V-O Campeur @ Velo-Orange; or V-O touring bike @ Velo-Orange BLOG; or similar, with color-matching treatment like this Surly Cross Check.
In such a build, much of "the look" would come from a proper selection of parts that could emulate the classic approach Rivendell brings.
A modern rendition: probably something like a V-O Piolet or Campeur frame, done up similarly.
Something like this: V-O Piolet @ BlueLug; or V-O Campeur @ Velo-Orange; or V-O touring bike @ Velo-Orange BLOG; or similar, with color-matching treatment like this Surly Cross Check.
In such a build, much of "the look" would come from a proper selection of parts that could emulate the classic approach Rivendell brings.
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I was a bit disappointed that I can't fit fatter than 32mm tires. It turns out that earlier years do such as @ascherer's 1971 model.
I have mixed feelings about Rivs. I always admired their aesthetics and I don't begrudge them creating and curating premium-market products. For my own sense of value they're not worth the cost nor the prestige of the label.
I had the chance to examine some up close a few years back at Harris Cycles in MA. There was absolutely nothing to fault, yet I found them somehow lacking evidence of being hand-built. They were almost too perfect. It's hard to express - my Mercian doesn't exhibit flaws in construction or finish, but somehow I get a feel for the builder's hand. I haven't experienced that with any Riv I've encountered.
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Because it’s a Rivish bike, I’m not going to comment on the aesthetics (you have made justifications already), I’m simply going to be happy that it is loved and pressed into service. Purists can look askance. It is a beautiful frame with lovely lugs and chrome socks. I’ll bet it rides like a dream.
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I would just convert to 650b and coast through corners. I did it with a Trek and I love the bigger tires (38 with fenders).
As far as I’m concerned, 38 is a small tire anymore. But I digress...
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What is that front dynohub? I’ve not seen it before.
Because it’s a Rivish bike, I’m not going to comment on the aesthetics (you have made justifications already), I’m simply going to be happy that it is loved and pressed into service. Purists can look askance. It is a beautiful frame with lovely lugs and chrome socks. I’ll bet it rides like a dream.
Because it’s a Rivish bike, I’m not going to comment on the aesthetics (you have made justifications already), I’m simply going to be happy that it is loved and pressed into service. Purists can look askance. It is a beautiful frame with lovely lugs and chrome socks. I’ll bet it rides like a dream.
My goal was to have a functional, nice-riding bike with less emphasis on looks. I painted the frame myself, and it doesn't look so hot. I had no experience painting. It does ride nicely. The wheelbase is pretty long, so I feel like I'm between the wheels instead of on top of them. Front end handling is a little odd compared with modern bikes, but I'm used to it.
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If I had known this thread existed I would have posted here first. I have always admired Rivendells; and when I found this 1986 Raleigh Technium 440, It gave off that aesthetic vibe like so many Raleigh's do. I'm not happy with the brake lever location, and I have a little more work to do, so be kind. Still to add/change: redo brake levers and handle bar tape; add fenders (maybe bamboo); rear silver rack with bamboo deck.
1970's and 1980's Raleigh's IMHO, click most of the boxes for "the poor man's Rivendell". Once I'm done with with the last few touches I'll post some "glamor shots".
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1970's and 1980's Raleigh's IMHO, click most of the boxes for "the poor man's Rivendell". Once I'm done with with the last few touches I'll post some "glamor shots".
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If I had known this thread existed I would have posted here first. I have always admired Rivendells; and when I found this 1986 Raleigh Technium 440, It gave off that aesthetic vibe like so many Raleigh's do. I'm not happy with the brake lever location, and I have a little more work to do, so be kind. Still to add/change: redo brake levers and handle bar tape; add fenders (maybe bamboo); rear silver rack with bamboo deck.
1970's and 1980's Raleigh's IMHO, click most of the boxes for "the poor man's Rivendell". Once I'm done with with the last few touches I'll post some "glamor shots".
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1970's and 1980's Raleigh's IMHO, click most of the boxes for "the poor man's Rivendell". Once I'm done with with the last few touches I'll post some "glamor shots".
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My 1992 Bridgestone RB-T looks pretty Rivish to me. In fact, I named him "Strider, Ranger of the North".
A brighter paint job would be more Rivish, but for Strider, this look is right on. Dark green and a little beat up, but beneath he is made of sterner stuff. He can haul through the wild if need be, but can cover many leagues in a day should the quest call for it.
The only thing I'm planning on adding is a Nitto HiRiser stem.
A brighter paint job would be more Rivish, but for Strider, this look is right on. Dark green and a little beat up, but beneath he is made of sterner stuff. He can haul through the wild if need be, but can cover many leagues in a day should the quest call for it.
The only thing I'm planning on adding is a Nitto HiRiser stem.
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i think the aesthetic involves being comfortable, useful and of high quality. of course in practice it becomes a massively smug sort of thing. which is why its fun to make a rivish bike out of something sort of pedestrian.
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I believe it IS a tow hitch. Previous owner had it on there. I haven't gotten around to taking it off.