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ghettocruiser 05-16-10 08:59 PM

Nuts.

Even the boyz on Don Mills Road just scream and sometimes fender me into the curb.

Pneumatic projectiles are (fortunately) probably beyond them.

CliftonGK1 05-16-10 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by redfb (Post 10819581)
well then your pretty much screwed, unless you have a short temper, wartime ptsd, and have all the items in your bag as listed, then you fire back at them!

Have you considered that maybe you shouldn't own a firearm?
Just a suggestion.

redfb 05-17-10 07:30 AM

lol it doesnt mean i dont think about my actions before i do something. besides its just a .22 just enough to kill a dog.

CliftonGK1 05-17-10 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by redfb (Post 10822612)
lol it doesnt mean i dont think about my actions before i do something. besides its just a .22 just enough to kill a dog.

Not to turn this into a firearms argument, but you're really not thinking about your actions if you're even considering firing on a vehicle, even with "just a .22".
Let's assume an effective range of (max.) 70 yards for an accurate hit with a .22 pistol. (At that range, you'll chip the paint if you're accurate enough to hit the vehicle.) 70 yards is 210 feet. Assuming a vehicle travelling at only 35mph (51 fps), you have approximately 4 seconds to
1) recognize that you've been hit with a dart
2) assess the safety of firing at your assailants*
3) draw your weapon
4) aim and fire

*Are you certain that if you fire, you'll hit the vehicle? If not, where will your shot land? There's no pedestrians around, are there? What about 50yds past the vehicle? 150yds? A .22 can still cause serious injury at > 300yds. (~2.0g projectile travelling ~500fps) Is the entire trajectory clear?

Harvey2 05-17-10 02:17 PM

I hope no one shoots you or at you no matter if you think you'll get up or not. Mainly these kids would be using some welt-mart crap gun so your chances would be better. I've seen and shot air pistols in 9mm. A neat custom pistol for a cool custom price. I don't think you'd get up from that one any easier than anything over a .32 but that's not the point. They're idiots for doing it. But I'd rather you Not be hit But still, shall we say, get your turn.

Harv

redfb 05-18-10 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 (Post 10823048)

*Are you certain that if you fire, you'll hit the vehicle?

not to turn this into a pissing match, but hell yes i could hit a moving target doing 35 with a .22


besides it was a joke, i carried the pistol for dogs and because my commute was through the ghetto. I have since traded it off for a shotgun for the house (in case intruders)

uciflylow 05-21-10 06:22 AM

I cary a very small .22 for dog protection myself. I will ONLY load it with the rat shot loads and have ONLY ever fired it into the ground in front of a dog that I couldn't shout down. The number one reason I use the rat shot is that I want to be sure my shot stops rite where it hits! I am responsible for every bullet I fire, wether it hits an intended target or unintended target. (Sorry to say, I was bitten by a dog in April that I had used HALT on two times in the past. My mistake there was not calling the sherrif about the dog the first time. I will not be the brunt of another dog attack!)

As far a the darts, pellets, etc. Our best bet is to get as much information as possible and call the police!

josephjhaney 05-21-10 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by JFlurett (Post 10798394)
It is always amazing to me that retaliation is shot down so quickly in these discussions (and in America). It's almost viewed as OK for people to do mindless and cruel **** to random people.

You people are losing sight of what has been mentioned a few times in this thread. At minimum this is assault with a deadly weapon, with the potential to severely injure, paralyze, or kill the biker. I'd take that very seriously, and would have no problem returning fire if I owned a gun. At minimum put a bullet hole in the trunk lid. Now we are looking for a gray Acura with a bullet hole in the trunk lid.

By allowing this type of crap to continue with no repercussion we perpetuate the problem. Just like nothing ever happens to little Jimmy throwing rocks at cars at the bus stop.

We make all kinds of excuses to not react, when it is not the victim who is the instigator.

I am totally hearing where you are coming from. I don't go looking for trouble, but I won't back down from it either. I HATE the pacifist rep that cyclist have, and sadly, that's where a lot of it goes wrong. I have had people yelling at me as they drive by, not ONE will GET OUT OF THE CAR when I catch them at the light. I had one guy lay on his horn as he went by, I waved with a single finger to let him know I'm not fond of horn blowers, he rolled down his window and proceeded to tell me he ought to "kick my ass" for flipping him off. I told him to get out of the car, and lets go, I was getting off the bike, he started arguing that I shouldn't have been in the left lane, blah blah blah, then drove away muttering about how "lucky" was was. Yeah, that's why you stayed in your car and drove off, cause I'm lucky. I can add he'd have made it halfway out of his door before I would have pinned him there and asked him, nicely, if this was really what he wanted to do.

I have a conceal carry, I live in PA, I don't currently carry on the bike, but I'm thinking of getting a smaller firearm I could put comfortably on my person while I rode. I can tell you I'd be carrying my 9mm if I were EVER fired at. I don't think I could or would shoot to kill for being fired at with a pellet, but it would depend. A lot depends on the attitude and threat level at the time. Keep in mind, the person you are dealing with has 2 weapons, 1 is a car, the other whatever they are shooting at you with. The potential for them to actually cause you to lose control of the bike and get run over by another car, or by them, is enough to qualify that in my mind as assault with a deadly weapon.

At any rate, this has not happened to me, and I have to admit, I was shocked to see it here. Wow. Just wow.

Joe

KD5NRH 07-12-10 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by SlimAgainSoon (Post 10795485)
Not to encourage this kind of thing, but just curious ... could someone fire off a handgun, say, a .38, while riding a bike, and remain upright and traveling in a straight line?

Hmmm...next time I'm out at our land, I may have to try this. No pavement available to shoot from, but I think I can find a flat stretch of dirt with a good backstop. The .32ACP should be easy, but there may be a bit more of an issue with the .357 snubnose using full-power loads.

nelson249 07-12-10 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Cyclaholic (Post 10794892)
See, that's what I'm talking about.... If I lived in the USA (or if open carry was legal here) I'd ride with a jersey that read across the back "That's a S&W 9mm, be polite" with an arrow pointing to my right hip, right where the holster is. Heck, I'm a clydesdale anyhow, I'd pack a nice shiny nickle plated D'eagle .50 with laser scope. Just the act of messing with me would be prima face evidence of mental instability.

So, they hit you with a car and steal your nice insanely heavy artillery.

atbman 07-12-10 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by SlimAgainSoon (Post 10795485)
Not to encourage this kind of thing, but just curious ... could someone fire off a handgun, say, a .38, while riding a bike, and remain upright and traveling in a straight line?


Originally Posted by JeremyZ (Post 10795548)
It would not be a problem, one-handed. Even two-handed would be doable.

But would even an experienced handgun owner be able to hit the individual who used the blowdart gun while riding along?

Kimmitt 07-12-10 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by JFlurett (Post 10808496)
We are a weak nation full of apathy and bleeding hearts.

Hey now, none of that Blame America First nonsense.

Isn't Colorado Springs that town that's going into shutdown mode because no one is willing to pay their taxes? Not a lot of empathy there. Seems like the kind of place where that sort of hatred for lack of conformity would thrive. It must be very tiring emotionally dealing with that.

esmith2039 07-12-10 07:39 PM

Reminds me I got shot at by fireworks last week. Happened so quick didn't really even phase me. I remember what the van looks like and it was on a residential street pay backs will happen.. may that be a 9 iron or 911.

Absenth 07-12-10 09:39 PM

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I'm still looking for a custom bike builder who'll build me one of these.
Please forgive the terrible image manipulation via GIMP. This is strictly a mockup. The real thing would clearly require a heavy bull barrel ;)

It's late, and I should be getting some sleep :)

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rustybrown 07-12-10 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by esmith2039 (Post 11101584)
Reminds me I got shot at by fireworks last week. Happened so quick didn't really even phase me. I remember what the van looks like and it was on a residential street pay backs will happen.. may that be a 9 iron or 911.

I went into turbo mode and left early...to avoid that.


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