I have disc brakes, so it's not a problem. If you have v-brakes you can buy a special adapter which allows you to adjust your v brakes for different wheel size. No need to torch and weld anything.

[QUOTE=canyoneagle;13457694]Here's a pic of what I'd look like after trying to follow the guys on the OP video:



Hey there Canyon!

You are waaay too funny, guy!!!

Versatile...

Commuting and long distance riding...


Off road...


But at the heart of it all it is an XC racing bike...


But... the hardest working and best all round bike I have ever owned is probably my Trek 7500... which could handle rock gardens and the same terrain as my Moulden as if the bike is built well enough it all comes down to skill.

This bike did it all really well.

Yeah Jay!

That Raleigh guy is quite the Indian, isn't he?

And those are exactly the same kinds of skills you'd need to go far in that rock garden without a MTB, too!

C'mon, man! You know I'm right about that one!

- Slim

Internet search backs up your claim. Nice to know it's an option and gives me food for thought.

[QUOTE=Sixty Fiver;13457932]Versatile...

Commuting and long distance riding...


Off road...


But at the heart of it all it is an XC racing bike...


But... the hardest working and best all round bike I have ever owned is probably my Trek 7500... which could handle rock gardens and the same terrain as my Moulden as if the bike is built well enough it all comes down to skill.

This bike did it all really well.

Now Sixty!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Right there! The almighty MTB does it all, baby!!! It does it all! It covers every terrain possibly passable!

You can't say that about any other bike!....Well, there are those Surly things...I don't know exactly what you'd call those, but anyways the MTB reigns supreme!

Thanks Sixty!

- Slim

Slim... my Trek 7500 is a hybrid.

No, you're flat wrong about that one.

The Raleigh rider is indeed impressive. The point is, it isn't about the bike, it's about the rider.

I'm not an especially skilled off-road rider. I don't have the skills to ride a road bike through that rock garden, maybe not even a cyclocross bike. But it would be no big deal with a quality cruiser or hybrid. I'm not sure why you are under the impression that that rock garden is some sort of insurmountable obstacle without a mountain bike. It simply isn't. Lots of "mountain biking" can be done without a mountain bike. If you think otherwise, well, the marketing departments of many bike companies have successfully sold you a bill of goods.

See, now this is exactly the point I've been trying to make!

Just what is the difference between a hardtail MTB with a rigid fork and a hybrid?

What is the difference between a hardtail MTB with front suspension and a hybrid with front suspension?

I was once of the opinion that there were just two types of MTN bikes. One with front suspension only, a hardtail, and one with full suspension. One in the back and one in the front. I come here, and suddenly things change. What's up with that?

- Slim

So, I guess that must mean that a Surly Ogre is a hybrid too! Huh?

A Surly Troll is a hybrid too! Huh? ...Oh..Wait a minute! Don't tell me! A Surly Pugsley is a hybrid too! Huh?

Jaheesus Xrist! Please don't tell me that!

Ok Jay! I feel that I'm having some kind of an epiphany here! Look at Sixty's bikes that he's posted within this thread....What would you call those bikes?

- Slim

To me, the first (blue) one looks like a fully rigid mountain bike. The second (white) one looks like a hybrid (i.e., a cross between a mountain bike and a road bike). They both appear to be nice bikes. Of the two, I prefer the Trek; I like the 700c wheels.

I'm guessing that you're calling the Trek 7500 a hybrid, due to the fact that its got 700cc wheels, right?

Does that also mean that you're calling the blue one a MTB due to the fact that it has 26" wheels?

- Slim

[QUOTE=SlimRider;13457926]LOL!

those guys were pretty amazing to watch.

Oh, and the Ogre looks like a pretty cool bike

Can't they just be bikes?

Look, pick a bike, any bike; it doesn't matter (so long as it's of decent quality). Whatever you pick, there's going to be some things it's really good at, some things it's pretty good at, some things it will do okay in a pinch, and some things it's not so good at. You might have to swap out tires or a component or two, but most bikes are pretty versatile. There's a lot of overlap in capabilities. The key is to find a bike that does really well whatever you're going to task it with most and does pretty well or at least adequately the things you'll ask of it only occasionally. Everybody falling for the idea that we need a specialized bike for every single cycling task we might have is a marketing department's wet dream.

Some mountain bikes have 700c wheels and some urban bikes have 26 inch wheels.

Don't confuse me with too much information, Sixty!

- Slim

Hybrids tend to look a bit like mountain bikes with road bike style forks and road wheels. The blue bike has 26" wheels, which are common on mountain bikes, but not so common on hybrids (though not uncommon on cruisers), and it has a fork style that is common to mountain bikes. (Note: 700c road wheels and 29er MTB wheels are the same diameter.)

This.

/thread.

Somewhere on the vehicle forums, I'm sure someone is posting the versatility of SUVs. See useless posting isn't unique to BF.

Yep! That's exactly what I figured! ...Nobody knows....

Things have to have names and descriptions and adresses and order. Otherwise, the world is terrible place in which to live!..Wouldn't you agree?

- Slim

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Hyhuu!

- Slim

Compared to what?

I think my mountain bike is pretty versatile, but I still have other types of bikes. Sixty, I can't get enough of that Moulden, it looks like a fantastic bike!

Don't forget the 29er and 69er.

Your Sierra (89?) is made of pure awesome... the mountain bikes of this era are so nicely designed and yours is a stellar example.

These mid to late 80's bikes were really touring bikes designed to run 26 inch wheels and wider tyres and could be described as ATB's or expedition bikes as they can be equipped to serve as very capable touring bikes that don't mind when the road is not a road.

The Moulden is a '90 and was purpose built for XC racing and single track riding and does not weigh much more than my steel racing bike and was originally equipped with a Suntour XC group... it has seen a lot of use and abuse and is in the queue to be repainted.

When my '87 Cascade was built it was marketed and sold as a mountain bike but has been my dedicated touring bike for many years... I suspect that Schwinn had Kuwahara build it's Sierra's and they also offered a Sierra model.

In later years the Cascade was marketed as an Expedition touring bike but they were not the handbuilt lugged models of the late eighties.



Back in 1985 mountain bikes looked more like this and the Siera Grande here is all original... one can see the touring heritage in these frames what with the very slack angles and very long wheelbases and longer stays.