Wife very worried that I've started to commute. Help please!
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I'm new to bike commuting, but have been doing it the last few weeks. It's about 15 miles each way. I need some thoughts and suggestions.
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
However, through all my motorcycle racing, and riding motorcycles on the street, I am more fearful of the bicycle on the street then anything on the motorcycle. Why? Because you have no protective gear except for the little helmet. Whereas, on the motorcycle, you not only have protective gear head to toe, you also have the ability to cut and run out of the way of danger. Not so on the bicycle in traffic..
Riding a bicycle in traffic is a dangerous proposition, period. I am not brave even a little bit, but I LOVE RIDING THE BICYCLE. I commute 5 days a week, with 7 different bicycles..
I am on the 88 Ironman today.. Sweetness on two wheels!!
Get the wife a bike, take her riding (not in traffic)and that's it!!
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If your wife can't/won't do the ride with you try Skippys suggestion. Take her for a drive and show her the route that way.
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My wife was initially apprehensive about me commuting by bike, but the dramatic positive effect it has had on both my health and attitude have won her over. Now she is primarily concerned only with a few things - getting a flat or something on the way home and running late for dinner, a larger scale mechanical breakdown that forces her to come pick my sorry butt up, and the unknown - she now trusts that I am a competent cyclist but that doesn't mean that I share the road with competent motorists.
If your wife is a reasonable person she will be willing to consider your point of view in time, and she will stop allowing other people to meddle in your relationship.
In all fairness to your wife - Is there anything about your route that is blatantly unsafe? I know that you said that you are avoiding busy roads where you can, but with that said are there still stretches where you're hopping on the freeway and drafting semis or anything?
If your wife is a reasonable person she will be willing to consider your point of view in time, and she will stop allowing other people to meddle in your relationship.
In all fairness to your wife - Is there anything about your route that is blatantly unsafe? I know that you said that you are avoiding busy roads where you can, but with that said are there still stretches where you're hopping on the freeway and drafting semis or anything?
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I'd say it depends on what kind of person your wife is. My longtime girlfriend got a little anxious about my commuting, especially when I used to have to bike in the dark. I also did a lot of training rides at night because I lived in the south and after dark the weather would be perfect But, have since moved to an urban center and she now bikes to school daily. I got her hooked on riding casually and now that we live in a city she bikes to school every day. She's on her bike more often than I am! Shorter rides, but she pushes me to do more. She's a really logic based girl so I used the facts of biking safety vs. driving safety and she got on board. Also, we're really into preserving our health so we can be old and wrinkly together--lay that on your wife. "Honey, it's really about my health. I want to make my daily life a workout so that I can be sure to live as long as possible so that we can grow old together!"
My biggest tip, don't share your dramatized close call stories with her, even if she is the first person you see when you get off your bike right after that ride. Save it for your biking buddies over a few beers.
My biggest tip, don't share your dramatized close call stories with her, even if she is the first person you see when you get off your bike right after that ride. Save it for your biking buddies over a few beers.
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Have you explained to her why it's important to you (like you did in your first post)? How did she respond?
We can come up with all the ideas we want, but it comes down to what would make her feel better. Once you've explained why this is important to you, tell you you really want you to support you in this. Then ask what you can do to make her more comfortable so she can be supportive.
We can come up with all the ideas we want, but it comes down to what would make her feel better. Once you've explained why this is important to you, tell you you really want you to support you in this. Then ask what you can do to make her more comfortable so she can be supportive.
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Get a fast motorcycle. Commute on that the days you don't ride. That should introduce some perspective into the discussion.
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Perhaps you can make it more of a team thing by asking her to help you plan a route. That way, she has some input about which roads you take.
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The wife's concern about the husband's health and well being could all suddenly convert to greed. Then the OP's demise could quickly become accelertated!
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If I tried all the things to op has, and my wife still was against me commuting by bike, I would smile and pat her on the head on my way out the door.
OP - where do you ride? Do you have an urban commute? A rural one on a high speed country road?
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I'm new to bike commuting, but have been doing it the last few weeks. It's about 15 miles each way. I need some thoughts and suggestions.
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
She's aware of her friends driving habits. She would rather exert what little influence she has over you to keep you from commuting by bike than go to them, singly or collectively, to pay attention while they're behind the wheel.
What you're wanting to do isn't illegal or immoral. Hell, you could always point out that there is zero chance of getting 'road head' while pedalling a bike...
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Solution:
1) Get your wife a bike.
2) Plan weekend rides together as a couple. Make them romantic.
3) At first ride in sparsely populated areas, side streets, bike lanes, MUP's, and parks. Always end your ride at the park just before returning home.
4) Gradually venture into more populated areas and bike lanes where traffic is routinely observed.
5) Always tell her that you're just going to do it for a few more weeks, until you get into "Triathlon Shape". Once, she has reduced her fear and possibly even develop a similar attraction towards cycling, tell her that you think you're just going to stick with the cycling, afterall.
1) Get your wife a bike.
2) Plan weekend rides together as a couple. Make them romantic.
3) At first ride in sparsely populated areas, side streets, bike lanes, MUP's, and parks. Always end your ride at the park just before returning home.
4) Gradually venture into more populated areas and bike lanes where traffic is routinely observed.
5) Always tell her that you're just going to do it for a few more weeks, until you get into "Triathlon Shape". Once, she has reduced her fear and possibly even develop a similar attraction towards cycling, tell her that you think you're just going to stick with the cycling, afterall.
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You could just leave your bike in the bushes down the street, drive away each morning, park the car and ride to work, then ride home, put the bike back in the bushes and drive the last 200 yards home. She'd be none the wiser. You might have to wear a full face helmet, or a mask. The full face helmet might come in handy if she ever did find out.
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I'm new to bike commuting, but have been doing it the last few weeks. It's about 15 miles each way. I need some thoughts and suggestions.
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
My wife is adamantly opposed to the idea of me commuting by bike. She is really scared that I will get hit by a car and no matter how much I tell her that I bike very defensively and stay away from busy roads as much as I can, she insists that she will never be ok with my decision. She worries constantly and reminds me daily that none of her fellow Mom friends approve (we have 2 young children). Several have stated to her outright that I am being disrespectful by doing this.
Has anyone else dealt with an unsupportive spouse like this? I am absolutely loving my rides. It is so invigorating everytime I get into my office or pull up to my house on my bike. I'm losing weight, saving money, and just feel better about myself. However, I obviously don't want to create so much tension in my marriage and make her feel like I'm being totally selfish. Further, am I truly not understanding the risks that I'm taking? Is she right?
Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
Brian
My solution you might not agree with... Get a new wife. Lol
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My wife was initially apprehensive about me commuting by bike, but the dramatic positive effect it has had on both my health and attitude have won her over. Now she is primarily concerned only with a few things - getting a flat or something on the way home and running late for dinner, a larger scale mechanical breakdown that forces her to come pick my sorry butt up, and the unknown - she now trusts that I am a competent cyclist but that doesn't mean that I share the road with competent motorists.
If your wife is a reasonable person she will be willing to consider your point of view in time, and she will stop allowing other people to meddle in your relationship.
In all fairness to your wife - Is there anything about your route that is blatantly unsafe? I know that you said that you are avoiding busy roads where you can, but with that said are there still stretches where you're hopping on the freeway and drafting semis or anything?
If your wife is a reasonable person she will be willing to consider your point of view in time, and she will stop allowing other people to meddle in your relationship.
In all fairness to your wife - Is there anything about your route that is blatantly unsafe? I know that you said that you are avoiding busy roads where you can, but with that said are there still stretches where you're hopping on the freeway and drafting semis or anything?
Starting at home (first 45-60 minutes is in the dark.. have a minewt Niterider 600, taillights, and 3 other rear blinkies):
3-4 miles in my neighborhood, very residential and then a long stretch of a paved walk/bike trail running alongside a 5 lane road with a median. (by far the safest stretch)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
1 miles on a very sparsely driven industrial park road (2 lanes). There are semi's (it's industrial after all), but few and far between and the roads are wide.
Next is about a quarter mile of very heavily and fast (45mph) traveled 5 lane road (4 lanes and a center 'suicide' lane). Unfortunately, here I only feel safe riding on the grass and through a couple parking lots (no sidewalks). Getting across the road takes patience.
2-3 miles of industrial park road like above
1 mile on a 5 lane road like above but much less and slower traffic. Here I stay on the sidewalk (some grass). Some people might feel comfortable riding in the lane, but not me yet because I worry about a car coming up fast and getting 'wedged in' if there's another car on their left and they can't get around me. (Does that make sense?)
2-3 miles on a 4 lane road (pretty sparsely traveled so I will ride in the lane but sometimes will hop on the sidewalk if I see a lot of traffic coming up behind me.)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
2-3 miles on wide 2 lane residential roads
2- 3 miles on an interstate access or frontage road (if you're not familiar with these, they run parallel to the interstate in some places to allow access to apartments, businesses, etc., between highway exits. This one has a wide shoulder about half the size of a traffic lane. It's used extensively by pedestrians (in fact there are bus stops along it).
So that's it. I imagine I may stir up a sidewalk/ no sidewalk debate. But as I explained there are just some places where I would not feel safe I weren't on the sidewalk and I would really piss off some motorists. Maybe that's an indication of the safety, though?
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new wife?
is the current wife inclined to consider factual evidence...? riding a bike to work will make you more likely to live long enough to dance at your kids' weddings and meet your great-grandchildren...
people suck at risk assessment. especially loving wives
is the current wife inclined to consider factual evidence...? riding a bike to work will make you more likely to live long enough to dance at your kids' weddings and meet your great-grandchildren...
"Compared with car users the estimated annual change in mortality of the Barcelona residents using Bicing (n = 181,982) was 0.03 deaths from road traffic incidents and 0.13 deaths from air pollution. As a result of physical activity, 12.46 deaths were avoided (benefit:risk ratio 77). The annual number of deaths avoided was 12.28." - The health risks and benefits of cycling in urban environments compared with car use: health impact assessment study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21816732 - BMJ. 2011 Aug 4;343:d4521. doi: 10.1136/bmj.d4521.
if you ignore the deaths from air pollution and only look at traffic crashes, that gives a benefit:risk ratio of 415!"For individuals who shift from car to bicycle, we estimated that beneficial effects of increased physical activity are substantially larger (3-14 months gained) than the potential mortality effect of increased inhaled air pollution doses (0.8-40 days lost) and the increase in traffic accidents (5-9 days lost)." - Do the health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20587380 - Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Aug;118(8):1109-16. Epub 2010 Jun 11.
"Within the moderately and highly active persons, sports participants experienced only half the mortality of nonparticipants. Bicycling to work decreased risk of mortality in approximately 40% after multivariate adjustment, including leisure time physical activity." - All-cause mortality associated with physical activity during leisure time, work, sports, and cycling to work. - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10847255 -
Arch Intern Med. 2000 Jun 12;160(11):1621-8.
essentially, you're taking a small risk that something catastrophically bad might happen, and reducing a substantial risk that you'll die of old age, before you're old. hell, you could die in a car crash while driving a car; that happens to about 30K-40K people every year in the US, and about 1.6M, globally, IIRC. maybe you should just stay home...? but most accidental deaths occur at home... in fact you're 50% more likely to die of an accident in your home than in your car!Arch Intern Med. 2000 Jun 12;160(11):1621-8.
people suck at risk assessment. especially loving wives
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See my other recent post on a breakdown of my commute. It's basically a suburb to suburb ride that requires finding a route that allows me to get around major highways.
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You could just leave your bike in the bushes down the street, drive away each morning, park the car and ride to work, then ride home, put the bike back in the bushes and drive the last 200 yards home. She'd be none the wiser. You might have to wear a full face helmet, or a mask. The full face helmet might come in handy if she ever did find out.
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I'm not going to lie and say it's the safest route in the world, but I've researched it thoroughly and there aren't any alternatives that are better. Not that anyone asked for it, but here's a rough breakdown. (I live in Atlanta, by the way, so maybe some of you have experience with motorists here...)
Starting at home (first 45-60 minutes is in the dark.. have a minewt Niterider 600, taillights, and 3 other rear blinkies):
3-4 miles in my neighborhood, very residential and then a long stretch of a paved walk/bike trail running alongside a 5 lane road with a median. (by far the safest stretch)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
1 miles on a very sparsely driven industrial park road (2 lanes). There are semi's (it's industrial after all), but few and far between and the roads are wide.
Next is about a quarter mile of very heavily and fast (45mph) traveled 5 lane road (4 lanes and a center 'suicide' lane). Unfortunately, here I only feel safe riding on the grass and through a couple parking lots (no sidewalks). Getting across the road takes patience.
2-3 miles of industrial park road like above
1 mile on a 5 lane road like above but much less and slower traffic. Here I stay on the sidewalk (some grass). Some people might feel comfortable riding in the lane, but not me yet because I worry about a car coming up fast and getting 'wedged in' if there's another car on their left and they can't get around me. (Does that make sense?)
2-3 miles on a 4 lane road (pretty sparsely traveled so I will ride in the lane but sometimes will hop on the sidewalk if I see a lot of traffic coming up behind me.)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
2-3 miles on wide 2 lane residential roads
2- 3 miles on an interstate access or frontage road (if you're not familiar with these, they run parallel to the interstate in some places to allow access to apartments, businesses, etc., between highway exits. This one has a wide shoulder about half the size of a traffic lane. It's used extensively by pedestrians (in fact there are bus stops along it).
So that's it. I imagine I may stir up a sidewalk/ no sidewalk debate. But as I explained there are just some places where I would not feel safe I weren't on the sidewalk and I would really piss off some motorists. Maybe that's an indication of the safety, though?
Starting at home (first 45-60 minutes is in the dark.. have a minewt Niterider 600, taillights, and 3 other rear blinkies):
3-4 miles in my neighborhood, very residential and then a long stretch of a paved walk/bike trail running alongside a 5 lane road with a median. (by far the safest stretch)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
1 miles on a very sparsely driven industrial park road (2 lanes). There are semi's (it's industrial after all), but few and far between and the roads are wide.
Next is about a quarter mile of very heavily and fast (45mph) traveled 5 lane road (4 lanes and a center 'suicide' lane). Unfortunately, here I only feel safe riding on the grass and through a couple parking lots (no sidewalks). Getting across the road takes patience.
2-3 miles of industrial park road like above
1 mile on a 5 lane road like above but much less and slower traffic. Here I stay on the sidewalk (some grass). Some people might feel comfortable riding in the lane, but not me yet because I worry about a car coming up fast and getting 'wedged in' if there's another car on their left and they can't get around me. (Does that make sense?)
2-3 miles on a 4 lane road (pretty sparsely traveled so I will ride in the lane but sometimes will hop on the sidewalk if I see a lot of traffic coming up behind me.)
Cross a major 5 lane roadway (following all traffic laws, of course)
2-3 miles on wide 2 lane residential roads
2- 3 miles on an interstate access or frontage road (if you're not familiar with these, they run parallel to the interstate in some places to allow access to apartments, businesses, etc., between highway exits. This one has a wide shoulder about half the size of a traffic lane. It's used extensively by pedestrians (in fact there are bus stops along it).
So that's it. I imagine I may stir up a sidewalk/ no sidewalk debate. But as I explained there are just some places where I would not feel safe I weren't on the sidewalk and I would really piss off some motorists. Maybe that's an indication of the safety, though?
Perhaps, with these concerns, and your 4(!?) taillights, you're giving your wife the wrong (right?) idea about the safety of your chosen course of action here! If you act like something is dangerous, it should be no surprise that people around you believe that it is.
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You could just leave your bike in the bushes down the street, drive away each morning, park the car and ride to work, then ride home, put the bike back in the bushes and drive the last 200 yards home. She'd be none the wiser. You might have to wear a full face helmet, or a mask. The full face helmet might come in handy if she ever did find out.
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You could just leave your bike in the bushes down the street, drive away each morning, park the car and ride to work, then ride home, put the bike back in the bushes and drive the last 200 yards home. She'd be none the wiser. You might have to wear a full face helmet, or a mask. The full face helmet might come in handy if she ever did find out.
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Tell your wife that YOUR new friends at Bike Forums have given your route the *Official BF Commuter Route Stamp of Approval*.
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