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kookaburra1701 07-22-12 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by seeker333 (Post 14513379)
OP, if possible, try changing your route. I bet a small deviation will completely alleviate your problem.

Unless I parachute in with my umbrella a la Mary Poppins, there's no other way to get to my place. In my part of town, everything connects to 101 directly, with no other connecting streets if I approach from the south. The only road that runs parallel to the highway long enough to spit me out north of my place would add 10 miles to my commute.

boro 07-22-12 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by BadBoy10 (Post 14513353)
Why don't some of you join a bicycle advocacy organization, provide guest speaking at schools and in the communities where you are so offended by the apparent lack of bicycle etiquette. .

It's easier to tell stupid people off. Though I don't bother because most people are really self-righteous and have a hard time listening to reason.

Too... many... levels... of... IRONY!

Shimagnolo 07-22-12 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 14513236)
I'm disgusted at those making excuses for these schmucks; it's their job to know the rules. Their riding style puts me in danger and I'm not interested in their rationalizations...an airzound sounds good to me...or a lance.

..or a Cinzano.:D

-=(8)=- 07-22-12 12:21 PM

Face it, you are angry and obsessed and are looking forward to confronting this poor sap who probably has no idea he is offending royalty. The fact that you have devoted time out of your life you will never get back to threatening dopey redneck style direct action in a forum as a first-course-of-action, makes this point concisely. Just hint: Some states, like FL for instance, have laws about using noise to assault a cyclist or animal. And no, I'm not going to look it up for you.

Advice to anyone who gets tweaked about something so inconsequential, petty and trivial--Get a hobby today, and leave your house 10 minutes early tomorrow.
Might also want to consider driving a car, thats the vehicle more appropriate to that mindset :)

Bicyclists: Our own worst enemy. :beer:

achoo 07-22-12 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by -=(8)=- (Post 14513504)
Face it, you are angry and obsessed and are looking forward to confronting this poor sap who probably has no idea he is offending royalty. The fact that you have devoted time out of your life you will never get back to threatening dopey redneck style direct action in a forum as a first-course-of-action, makes this point concisely. Just hint: Some states, like FL for instance, have laws about using noise to assault a cyclist or animal. And no, I'm not going to look it up for you.

Advice to anyone who gets tweaked about something so inconsequential, petty and trivial--Get a hobby today, and leave your house 10 minutes early tomorrow.
Might also want to consider driving a car, thats the vehicle more appropriate to that mindset :)

Bicyclists: Our own worst enemy. :beer:

Who's angry? Who's obsessed?

You're the one who started personal attacks with that post. First thing you need to do is look in a mirror.

Two words come to mind. Pot and kettle.

AlbertaBeef 07-22-12 12:57 PM

get one of those handheld taser/stun-gun units... let him have it. :D

Face Palm 07-22-12 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by -=(8)=- (Post 14513504)
Face it, you are angry and obsessed and are looking forward to confronting this poor sap who probably has no idea he is offending royalty. The fact that you have devoted time out of your life you will never get back to threatening dopey redneck style direct action in a forum as a first-course-of-action, makes this point concisely. Just hint: Some states, like FL for instance, have laws about using noise to assault a cyclist or animal. And no, I'm not going to look it up for you.

Advice to anyone who gets tweaked about something so inconsequential, petty and trivial--Get a hobby today, and leave your house 10 minutes early tomorrow.
Might also want to consider driving a car, thats the vehicle more appropriate to that mindset :)

Bicyclists: Our own worst enemy. :beer:

What a freaking maroon. Troll much?

nashcommguy 07-22-12 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by -=(8)=- (Post 14513504)
Face it, you are angry and obsessed and are looking forward to confronting this poor sap who probably has no idea he is offending royalty. The fact that you have devoted time out of your life you will never get back to threatening dopey redneck style direct action in a forum as a first-course-of-action, makes this point concisely. Just hint: Some states, like FL for instance, have laws about using noise to assault a cyclist or animal. And no, I'm not going to look it up for you.

Advice to anyone who gets tweaked about something so inconsequential, petty and trivial--Get a hobby today, and leave your house 10 minutes early tomorrow.
Might also want to consider driving a car, thats the vehicle more appropriate to that mindset :)

Bicyclists: Our own worst enemy. :beer:

This is just plain silly. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for genuine wit. That's cliche for a reason...it's true. And w/a beer salute at the end. What's that for? Congratulating one's self for a clinical display of shallow intellectualism in the form of using words like 'concisely' and 'inconsequential'? Gives one a chance to feel smug and superior, I suppose. :rolleyes:

OP, get a Nite Rider Mi-Newt Cordless 600. Set it on the strobe setting when expecting the salmon to turn the corner and I think...eventually he'll get the message. Or stop him and let him know he's causing genuine danger to you and several other people, cyclists et all who use that particular MUP at that time in the morning. It's not that big a deal. He'll either respond well or not. Either way you've done your part. The rest is up to him.

Canada Panda 07-22-12 01:29 PM

If it happens at almost the same time, I do suggest calling the police about it. The type of response depends on the attitude of the officer assigned to the call, but it also depends on what you say to the call-taker. Articulate that this cyclist is putting your safety at risk by forcing you to dodge, possibly out into traffic. Make it clear that the salmon takes the centre of the bike lane and makes no effort to allow you to safely pass. Don't focus on "he's breaking the law so you have to stop him!" - the cops aren't there to enforce every single law in existence, they're there to maintain the safety of the public. Hit the right key phrases and chances are you will get a favourable response. At the very least, make a request for extra patrols in the area.

Also, use the non-emergency number and call before you leave - don't call 911 after the cyclist has already passed you.

Bluish Green 07-22-12 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Canada Panda (Post 14513689)
If it happens at almost the same time, I do suggest calling the police about it. The type of response depends on the attitude of the officer assigned to the call, but it also depends on what you say to the call-taker. Articulate that this cyclist is putting your safety at risk by forcing you to dodge, possibly out into traffic. Make it clear that the salmon takes the centre of the bike lane and makes no effort to allow you to safely pass. Don't focus on "he's breaking the law so you have to stop him!" - the cops aren't there to enforce every single law in existence, they're there to maintain the safety of the public. Hit the right key phrases and chances are you will get a favourable response. At the very least, make a request for extra patrols in the area.

Also, use the non-emergency number and call before you leave - don't call 911 after the cyclist has already passed you.

This sounds like a good option. I was trying to think of a solution while reading these posts; this seems most like what I might consider.

The wrong-way bicyclist is not only endangering others but himself with this reckless, selfish riding. I have to wonder how long someone can ride so dangerously without a crash happening. Hang in there, and I hope the problem resolves (with no crashes) soon.

-=(8)=- 07-22-12 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 14513593)
Two words come to mind. Pot and kettle.

That's three words.


Originally Posted by nashcommguy (Post 14513657)
cyclists et all ......

"et al."

:beer:

nashcommguy 07-22-12 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by -=(8)=- (Post 14513890)
That's three words.



"et al."

:beer:

Congrats Einstein, caught my typo. Doesn't disallow the rest as truth, though does it? Didn't think so.

CommuteCommando 07-22-12 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Face Palm (Post 14513602)
What a freaking maroon. Troll much?

Check the avatar. I haven't responded to it, and OP should ignore it as well.

Shimagnolo 07-22-12 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 14514024)
Check the avatar. I haven't responded to it, and OP should ignore it as well.

It makes a nice addition to my Ignore List.

Blinkie 07-22-12 03:36 PM

There's only one possible answer ....

http://i49.tinypic.com/283zx3.jpg

No, I really don't have any practical answers. All I could think of was yelling at him, but also doubt he'd listen. As for calling the police, as also previously mentioned, I've been in too many areas where to local PD doesn't give half a rat's unless it's a speed trap or a 'real' crime.

Rx Rider 07-22-12 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 14513236)
I'm disgusted at those making excuses for these schmucks; it's their job to know the rules. Their riding style puts me in danger and I'm not interested in their rationalizations...an airzound sounds good to me...or a lance.


seriously! the OP states an on going problem of an idiot cyclist and half the responses are "educate him", what? it's not my job to educate anyone on this planet, especially the ones possibly putting me in danger. what's next take him to a therapist to discover this guys deep seeded issues with road rules. You realize most of those motorist out there buzzing and honking at you think they're "educating" you right?

OP call the police and lie, tell them this guy forced you off the road and nearly caused you to crash into to something, and it's not the first close call you've had with him. If I had this problem more than once I'd be throwing a full water bottle at the guy's head, but then I'm a 6' guy. and spare me the what the cops would do to me because the other half of the posts seem to elude to do-nothing police. if the responding officer does nothing, go to the supervisor and ask why they don't take public safety seriously. I don't think that would be a problem because most police officers I know love to educate people.

Commodus 07-22-12 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 14513236)
...or a lance.

:lol:

I was thinking the same thing!

achoo 07-22-12 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by AlbertaBeef (Post 14513599)
get one of those handheld taser/stun-gun units... let him have it. :D

On the salmon or the troll? How about both of 'em?

Although an airzound will probably work, too. Let him have it when he passes. Make sure it's pointed right at him.

Point it at the salmon, not the troll.

Commodus 07-22-12 04:19 PM

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...2ana/lance.jpg

Pow! Your salmon days are over sucker!

Shimagnolo 07-22-12 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 14514172)
On the salmon or the troll? How about both of 'em?

That works for me!:thumb:

chefisaac 07-22-12 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Rx Rider (Post 14514144)
seriously! the OP states an on going problem of an idiot cyclist and half the responses are "educate him", what? it's not my job to educate anyone on this planet, especially the ones possibly putting me in danger. what's next take him to a therapist to discover this guys deep seeded issues with road rules. You realize most of those motorist out there buzzing and honking at you think they're "educating" you right?

OP call the police and lie, tell them this guy forced you off the road and nearly caused you to crash into to something, and it's not the first close call you've had with him. If I had this problem more than once I'd be throwing a full water bottle at the guy's head, but then I'm a 6' guy. and spare me the what the cops would do to me because the other half of the posts seem to elude to do-nothing police. if the responding officer does nothing, go to the supervisor and ask why they don't take public safety seriously. I don't think that would be a problem because most police officers I know love to educate people.

Yeah lie instead of educate. Do everyone a favor and dont have kids. No wonder most Americans are f#cked up.

If you dont want to educate, dont b*tch about it.

The op is assuming this person will not listen. But she never tried so how the he11 does anyone know it wont work? I would try solving this issue myself first.

Catlikeone 07-22-12 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by chefisaac (Post 14512441)
I still take the education approach. When your riding with a buddy, that might be best to go in a pair. Just because you are female and small and this is a large guy doesnt mean much to be frank. You might gain respect by doing so.

Cops wont do much.

Cops dont do ****e, from experience. In my 5'3" experience the ******s that say something to a female cyclist are just looking for an easy target, never give them the enjoyment. There's nothing scarier than an angry woman, ask any man, other than a random female stranger that's Kujo enough to take on a stranger.

Like Chef said, every time they are confronted, in my experience, you earn respect. I can definitely see how a black eye can influence your view, though. So in that vein follow your gut or just 'chick" him

chefisaac 07-22-12 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Catlikeone (Post 14514283)
Cops dont do ****e, from experience. In my 5'3" experience the ******s that say something to a female cyclist are just looking for an easy target, never give them the enjoyment. There's nothing scarier than an angry woman, ask any man, other than a random female stranger that's Kujo enough to take on a stranger.

Like Chef said, every time they are confronted, in my experience, you earn respect. I can definitely see how a black eye can influence your view, though. So in that vein follow your gut or just 'chick" him

Cat is the toughest women I know. Take a hint from her, she does things right.

Miss you girl!

I-Like-To-Bike 07-22-12 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by chefisaac (Post 14514268)

The op is assuming this person will not listen. But she never tried so how the he11 does anyone know it wont work? I would try solving this issue myself first.

The OP and others assume the police will not respond or take any action no matter what the OP tells them. Great Monday Morning Quarterbacking BEFORE the game is even played.

chefisaac 07-22-12 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 14514351)
The OP and others assume the police will not respond or take any action no matter what the OP tells them. Great Monday Morning Quarterbacking BEFORE the game is even played.

on a non related topic, I like your handle name. Spells out my life. lol.

-=(8)=- 07-22-12 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 14514351)
The OP and others assume the police will not respond or take any action no matter what the OP tells them. Great Monday Morning Quarterbacking BEFORE the game is even played.


I dont know why people have a problem with you . . You are a rare voice of reason in dork-a-paloozas such as this. From the first post on, the OP has said she is going to illegally assault someone she doesnt even know. One other voice of reason asked her why she wouldnt just talk to the guy, and Ms Mensa suggests she doesnt want to risk an attack. Huh ?!?!?! Most people getting hit with a Airzzound horn would firmly insert the broken parts in any number of Ms Mensa's orifices.
After many posts of this ridiculousness, the pocket protected video game basement dwelling revengers get their horn-rimmed coke bottles all steamed up reading that a surprise illegal assault is not a rational solution to what is not a problem to a more rational and civil person. Again, bicycle riders in the USA are why bicycle riders in the USA will never get respect.

chefisaac 07-22-12 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by -=(8)=- (Post 14514381)
Again, bicycle riders in the USA are why bicycle riders in the USA will never get respect.

I can see this and would agree. I am reading a book called The Enlightened Cyclist. Great read and the part I am on now talks about cycling in the US and how it is so much different then other counties and lack of respect for fellow riders ,etc. Interesting read if you ever get time to read it 8.

KonAaron Snake 07-22-12 06:01 PM

A guy riding the wrong way in my lane, putting me in danger, isn't worthy of respect. An airzound blast is a perfectly appropriate, legal response to a schmuck breaking the rules of cycling and endangering, at the least inconveniencing, people riding responsibly. It isn't my obligation to educate this turd or any other turd, it's his obligation to follow the rules. Salmon aren't poor, innocent cyclists in need of my encouragement...they're an obstacle and an inconvenience to overcome. I also categorically reject their poor, ignorant, innocent portrayal...the lanes have large arrows indicating the correct flow of traffic. These are inconsiderate, ignorant a-holes who do it out of a misguided feeling of safety or to deliberately be annoying...and many times I suspect it's the later. Regardless of the reason - the onus is on them to follow the rules. If they don't, an airzound is a mild response.

I have no interest in being polite to those that are putting me in danger and putting the responsibility on me to correct their poor behavior is absurd. I also can't think of a quicker lesson than an airzound (short of being forced into traffic).

Mondo734 07-22-12 06:13 PM

As for calling the cops. Yea you can try it but it will likely be ignored. I speak from experience. A few months ago I was commuting home from school on the mup. As I hit a certain spot a few riders passing the other way warned me about a ped throwing rocks at cyclists. So I proceeded with caution and saw the ped in question. He indeed was throwing rocks at cyclists. So, I stopped before I encountered him and called the cops. I got hung up on twice as soon as I mentioned the situation. Another cyclist who actually had been hit with a rock came over to me and he also called the cops. Again same thing, he got hung up on. SO cops dont seem to care about cyclist related incidents unless it involves a crash or something that absolutely cannot be ignored.

Now in regards to the use of an airzound I think your just as likely if not more to get into a fight for using it than for attempting to talk to the salmon.

-=(8)=- 07-22-12 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by chefisaac (Post 14514465)
I can see this and would agree. I am reading a book called The Enlightened Cyclist. Great read and the part I am on now talks about cycling in the US and how it is so much different then other counties and lack of respect for fellow riders ,etc. Interesting read if you ever get time to read it 8.

Awesome ! :thumb:

I will. Thank you !

Here is what I am reading, also recommended :beer:

http://jimsbikeblog.files.wordpress....-cyclist-2.jpg


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