Looking for the absolute raciest bike with disc brakes and can hold fenders AND rack
02-09-13, 11:15 AM
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OK so here's some Canadian's twisted opinion.
That particular Cannondale has nice graphics, and the Ultegra shifters and derailleurs are nothing to complsin about. The carbon wrapped seat post, on the other hand, is just for looks. and Cannondale actually puts a more solid wheelset (eyeletted MADDUX CX 3.0's) on some of their $700 Quicks.
A decent wheelset is over $500 and anyone who isn't a lightweight should be looking at wheels as much or more than the rest of the bike.
Then there's the other thing I thought was kinda obvious. Racy bikes with disc brakes lose a lot of the 'racy' part when you stick fenders and racks on them. Not just visually, but functionally too.
That particular Cannondale has nice graphics, and the Ultegra shifters and derailleurs are nothing to complsin about. The carbon wrapped seat post, on the other hand, is just for looks. and Cannondale actually puts a more solid wheelset (eyeletted MADDUX CX 3.0's) on some of their $700 Quicks.
A decent wheelset is over $500 and anyone who isn't a lightweight should be looking at wheels as much or more than the rest of the bike.
Then there's the other thing I thought was kinda obvious. Racy bikes with disc brakes lose a lot of the 'racy' part when you stick fenders and racks on them. Not just visually, but functionally too.
02-09-13, 11:46 AM
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02-09-13, 12:18 PM
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Diablo - that image just reminded me of a Bicycle I had seen a couple of years ago - it was a road bike with fender and rack mounts, designed to be a "fast rain bike". I believe the company was "Baron" out of Seattle, but I can't seem to find them on the web.
02-09-13, 01:22 PM
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I think you make a great advocate for serious cycling. But that is a serious city bike, not a road racer. I'd rather ride that than a carbon crotch rocket any day, but I don't race.
02-09-13, 02:27 PM
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Hey GW, carbon is good for more than just racing:
a) I find carbon to be far more comfortable on rough pavement than steel or alu.
b) Carbon is more fatigue resistant than any metal alloy. I am 100% certain that I will never retire a carbon frame due to normal wear.
c) A 2 lb weight difference makes a huge difference on my daily commute. (I climb >100K feet a year just getting from point A to B.)
a) I find carbon to be far more comfortable on rough pavement than steel or alu.
b) Carbon is more fatigue resistant than any metal alloy. I am 100% certain that I will never retire a carbon frame due to normal wear.
c) A 2 lb weight difference makes a huge difference on my daily commute. (I climb >100K feet a year just getting from point A to B.)
02-09-13, 02:28 PM
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I'm still trying to get my head around a $2200 Cannondale being called "crappy."
I could understand if someone said, that's a Fredmobile and not optimal for daily commuting in a city. But crappy? It's a nicer bike than I'm likely to buy anytime soon.
I could understand if someone said, that's a Fredmobile and not optimal for daily commuting in a city. But crappy? It's a nicer bike than I'm likely to buy anytime soon.
02-09-13, 02:34 PM
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Hey GW, carbon is good for more than just racing:
a) I find carbon to be far more comfortable on rough pavement than steel or alu.
b) Carbon is more fatigue resistant than any metal alloy. I am 100% certain that I will never retire a carbon frame due to normal wear.
c) A 2 lb weight difference makes a huge difference on my daily commute. (I climb >100K feet a year just getting from point A to B.)
a) I find carbon to be far more comfortable on rough pavement than steel or alu.
b) Carbon is more fatigue resistant than any metal alloy. I am 100% certain that I will never retire a carbon frame due to normal wear.
c) A 2 lb weight difference makes a huge difference on my daily commute. (I climb >100K feet a year just getting from point A to B.)
I ride an aluminum bike now and would gladly swap the frame for a carbon version, straight trade, wouldn't even have to pay me.
this utilitarian style.
02-09-13, 05:58 PM
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This one - https://www.konaworld.com/bike.cfm?content=rove - is high on my list for a commuter. Light weight steel, discs, eyelets for racks and fenders, SRAM Apex....
02-09-13, 06:00 PM
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OK so here something to think about. Those Ultegra STI's retailed here in Canada for $700 up to last year. That's a big chunk of bike value in a $2,200 package. Disproportionately so IMO - my own priorities would be a decent wheelset before high-end shifters - but thats just me.
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02-09-13, 06:06 PM
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Lower one is right in outer corner of where the seat and chain stays meet. Upper one is in the D of Cannondale on the seat stay.
You do realize that some people race cross bikes? I mean,that's what they're really intended to do.
Wasn't it you Euro's that invented cross racing?
Wasn't it you Euro's that invented cross racing?
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02-09-13, 10:14 PM
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OK so here something to think about. Those Ultegra STI's retailed here in Canada for $700 up to last year. That's a big chunk of bike value in a $2,200 package. Disproportionately so IMO - my own priorities would be a decent wheelset before high-end shifters - but thats just me.
02-09-13, 11:06 PM
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Yeah - Cannondale catagorizes this particular bike as a 'racing' rather than 'sport' or 'recreation' model. They do the same thing with their $999 CAADX Sora model - so its far more likely that neither are that caliper.
Cannondale was bought out by Dorel Industries a number of years ago, and although that group is currently running two independent bicycle groups - one for independent bicycle stores and another for big box stores - some of the same marketing strategies seem to be being used.
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02-10-13, 10:45 AM
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I'd recommend the OP check out the Planet X Kaffenback by On One. For about $1,600, you get a 4130 cro-mo frame (and fork) with discs, rack & fender mounts, classic race geometry, Sram Force, Avid BB7, full housing cable routing, 32mm Vittoria Randonneur Pros with reflective sidewall strips, and their Swap Out interchangeable dropouts so you could even rebuild with an IGH if you wanted.
The frameset alone is available from Planet X in Portland for $209 right now. One could build that up pretty cheaply. https://www.planet-x-usa.com/category-s/1856.htm
Looks racy to me:
The frameset alone is available from Planet X in Portland for $209 right now. One could build that up pretty cheaply. https://www.planet-x-usa.com/category-s/1856.htm
Looks racy to me:
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02-10-13, 03:40 PM
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The Traitor is handsome, but for raciness, I think it's going to be hard to beat the Planet X's #s: 420mm chain stays, and a 73º head tube angle? C'mon...that thing is gonna sprint, climb, and react like a cat.
02-10-13, 05:25 PM
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I'd recommend the OP check out the Planet X Kaffenback by On One. For about $1,600, you get a 4130 cro-mo frame (and fork) with discs, rack & fender mounts, classic race geometry, Sram Force, Avid BB7, full housing cable routing, 32mm Vittoria Randonneur Pros with reflective sidewall strips, and their Swap Out interchangeable dropouts so you could even rebuild with an IGH if you wanted.
The frameset alone is available from Planet X in Portland for $209 right now. One could build that up pretty cheaply. https://www.planet-x-usa.com/category-s/1856.htm
Looks racy to me:
The frameset alone is available from Planet X in Portland for $209 right now. One could build that up pretty cheaply. https://www.planet-x-usa.com/category-s/1856.htm
Looks racy to me:
Lots of nice bikes on this thread too.
02-11-13, 05:34 AM
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Course one of the raciest LOOKING bikes with disc brakes I can think of would have to be the Culprit Croz Blade
https://www.culpritbicycles.com/finis...ke_gallery.php
But trying to imagine an Arkel randonneur rack and SKS Raceblades on something like that does something to my funnybones! Course the rack could be helpful for lugging around a really big U-lock!
https://www.culpritbicycles.com/finis...ke_gallery.php
But trying to imagine an Arkel randonneur rack and SKS Raceblades on something like that does something to my funnybones! Course the rack could be helpful for lugging around a really big U-lock!
02-11-13, 10:54 AM
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Course one of the raciest LOOKING bikes with disc brakes I can think of would have to be the Culprit Croz Blade
https://www.culpritbicycles.com/finis...ke_gallery.php
But trying to imagine an Arkel randonneur rack and SKS Raceblades on something like that does something to my funnybones! Course the rack could be helpful for lugging around a really big U-lock!
https://www.culpritbicycles.com/finis...ke_gallery.php
But trying to imagine an Arkel randonneur rack and SKS Raceblades on something like that does something to my funnybones! Course the rack could be helpful for lugging around a really big U-lock!
titanium bow lock:
https://tigrlock.com/product/
02-12-13, 09:36 AM
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Lower one is right in outer corner of where the seat and chain stays meet. Upper one is in the D of Cannondale on the seat stay.
You do realize that some people race cross bikes? I mean,that's what they're really intended to do.
Wasn't it you Euro's that invented cross racing?
You do realize that some people race cross bikes? I mean,that's what they're really intended to do.
Wasn't it you Euro's that invented cross racing?
Damn I should've bought one when I had access to the 'bro deal' a few months back.
02-12-13, 01:16 PM
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I'm looking for something I can use for a ~5 mile commute back and forth every day, but also something I can take out and go *fast* on. Something light and nimble.
I'm open to all options, though.
I'm trying to augment that with something that isn't quite so redundant.
I'm probably never going to be taking it offroad. I live in Seattle, though, and some of the roads here are absolutely terrible and perhaps could almost be the equivilant of off-roading.
I'm open to all options, though.
I'm trying to augment that with something that isn't quite so redundant.
I'm probably never going to be taking it offroad. I live in Seattle, though, and some of the roads here are absolutely terrible and perhaps could almost be the equivilant of off-roading.
Oh, and 'fast'? Like Maynard Hershon said, 'it's not for sale'.
02-12-13, 04:44 PM
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So you don't like the bike because you think it looks bad and is made by a company that's only been around 40 years, so intead you think I should go over 3000 miles out of my way to get a different bike? Why should I do that when I can go less than 3 miles away from my house to get a bike that seems to work fine?
I'd really appreciate it if you would give me advice that's actually useful. Yes, I'm new to this, but you're not really giving me any reason why I should listen to what you say.
I'd really appreciate it if you would give me advice that's actually useful. Yes, I'm new to this, but you're not really giving me any reason why I should listen to what you say.
I haven't read beyond this post of yours in this thread, and haven't noticed it yet; but what is the budget you are looking to spend? I have a Lynsky Cooper that I really like, and may fit your bill. I don't know if they have a distributer in your area, but they do have some throughout the US, and are really great to work with. I did, and had my bike shipped to me in Japan.
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