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#453
always rides with luggage
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Bikes: 2007 Trek SU100, 2009 Fantom CX, 2012 Fantom Cross Uno, Bakfiets
I like that bike.
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2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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--Ben
2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
Non-Bike hardware: MX Linux / BunsenLabs Linux / Raspbian / Mac OS 10.6 / Android 7
#454
Rockhopper?
Nice bike and good candidate for drop bar conversion. Yours is an example of a conversion that didn't turn out looking weird as so many of them do. Doesn't quite rise to the level of hot for me though. With the potpourri of colors you've got going on there a green wheel couldn't hurt.
Not sure I like the blacked out tubes and the Sora-esque shifters. Also not quite sure how brifters really work on bars like that but I've got no actual experience with that sort of set up.
Nice bike and good candidate for drop bar conversion. Yours is an example of a conversion that didn't turn out looking weird as so many of them do. Doesn't quite rise to the level of hot for me though. With the potpourri of colors you've got going on there a green wheel couldn't hurt.
Not sure I like the blacked out tubes and the Sora-esque shifters. Also not quite sure how brifters really work on bars like that but I've got no actual experience with that sort of set up.
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#455
I’m a little Surly
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Threaded to Threadless with no spacers to hide the fact..Sora shifters where Barcon's would be more effective and flexible. No fenders fork shuddering canti cable mount combined with cheap pads are going to lead über scary stops with any weight on it..
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Nice old specialized though.
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Nice old specialized though.
#456
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Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers), All-City Space Horse (hers)
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From: Memphis TN area
Bikes: 2011 Felt Z85 (road/commuter), 2006 Marin Pine Mountain (utility/commuter E-bike), 1995 KHS Alite 1000 (gravel grinder)
heh finally got around to going through this thread and now subscribing. Nice to get in early in case it goes on for years and hundreds of pages like in the 41.
This is what I commute on, 30 mile RT twice a week, split up between days so I never have to carry any bags or packs or anything. Just put on brand new A530 double-sided pedals to replace my old no-name SPD pedals. Will be so nice to not have to keep switching out pedals for different types of rides.
I have Raceblade fenders in case it's wet, but I don't keep those on most of the time.
My first road bike, and man do I love it.
This is what I commute on, 30 mile RT twice a week, split up between days so I never have to carry any bags or packs or anything. Just put on brand new A530 double-sided pedals to replace my old no-name SPD pedals. Will be so nice to not have to keep switching out pedals for different types of rides.
I have Raceblade fenders in case it's wet, but I don't keep those on most of the time.
My first road bike, and man do I love it.

#458
I’m a little Surly
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#459
I’m a little Surly
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heh finally got around to going through this thread and now subscribing. Nice to get in early in case it goes on for years and hundreds of pages like in the 41.
This is what I commute on, 30 mile RT twice a week, split up between days so I never have to carry any bags or packs or anything. Just put on brand new A530 double-sided pedals to replace my old no-name SPD pedals. Will be so nice to not have to keep switching out pedals for different types of rides.
I have Raceblade fenders in case it's wet, but I don't keep those on most of the time.
My first road bike, and man do I love it.

This is what I commute on, 30 mile RT twice a week, split up between days so I never have to carry any bags or packs or anything. Just put on brand new A530 double-sided pedals to replace my old no-name SPD pedals. Will be so nice to not have to keep switching out pedals for different types of rides.
I have Raceblade fenders in case it's wet, but I don't keep those on most of the time.
My first road bike, and man do I love it.


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Set you saddle to level, get you stem parallel to the rise of the top tube or perhaps buy a bike that fits preferably not sized like t-shirts. The only thing that has any redeeming value about this bike is the red cable casings.
#460
Finally, a bike that isn't just "hot for a commuter"! I like this one a lot. In particular, I'm a fan of red and black, even though it's everywhere in road bikes these days.
Your 30 mile commute justifies the use of an unladen road bike, and yet your stem isn't slammed. Well done.
Your 30 mile commute justifies the use of an unladen road bike, and yet your stem isn't slammed. Well done.
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#461
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From: Memphis TN area
Bikes: 2011 Felt Z85 (road/commuter), 2006 Marin Pine Mountain (utility/commuter E-bike), 1995 KHS Alite 1000 (gravel grinder)
Look mom I have a wünderbike with a riser stem on a compact frame and a maladjusted saddle, but hey it's a carbonaluminumscandium Felt that all the pro's ride does that make up for it?
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Set you saddle to level, get you stem parallel to the rise of the top tube or perhaps buy a bike that fits preferably not sized like t-shirts. The only thing that has any redeeming value about this bike is the red cable casings.
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Set you saddle to level, get you stem parallel to the rise of the top tube or perhaps buy a bike that fits preferably not sized like t-shirts. The only thing that has any redeeming value about this bike is the red cable casings.
I have longer legs but a shorter reach. Any larger frame and I would be too stretched out.
This ain't the 41 dammit
#462
You could make a case (and I sometimes do) that bikes should be made with longer head tubes relative to the top tube, but then the skinny guys would have a hard time bending at the waist as much as they need to for a proper fit.
FWIW, I happen to also like the look of an upward sloping stem. Feel free to draw whatever Freudian conclusions you feel are necessary from that.
Here's a pic of my own wünderbike (not used for commuting) which probably goes a long way toward explaining why I like Patrick's so much.
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#463
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From: Memphis TN area
Bikes: 2011 Felt Z85 (road/commuter), 2006 Marin Pine Mountain (utility/commuter E-bike), 1995 KHS Alite 1000 (gravel grinder)
ohhh man you have a nice 105 crank with red bolts on it. I need that for mine! I hate this FSA crap that came stock on there.
#464
#466
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Unfortunately the laws of physics are against us on this one. You can't just go buy an off-the-shelf bike that "fits" in all proportions unless you can use a lot of drop from the seat to the bars. I've spent a lot of time thinking about bike fit, and I think what it comes down to here is body weight distribution. I'd love to have the bars on my road bike set up in a way that gets me "low and aero" but I've got enough of my body weight above the waist that it just doesn't work that way without putting too much weight on my hands (maybe it would if I had about a 65 degree seat tube and could really stick my butt out behind the balance plane). So, like PatrickGSR94, when I buy a road bike that has the right top tube length (i.e. the size that fits for this model), I have to point the stem at the sky to make it comfortable.
You could make a case (and I sometimes do) that bikes should be made with longer head tubes relative to the top tube, but then the skinny guys would have a hard time bending at the waist as much as they need to for a proper fit.
FWIW, I happen to also like the look of an upward sloping stem. Feel free to draw whatever Freudian conclusions you feel are necessary from that.
Here's a pic of my own wünderbike (not used for commuting) which probably goes a long way toward explaining why I like Patrick's so much.

You could make a case (and I sometimes do) that bikes should be made with longer head tubes relative to the top tube, but then the skinny guys would have a hard time bending at the waist as much as they need to for a proper fit.
FWIW, I happen to also like the look of an upward sloping stem. Feel free to draw whatever Freudian conclusions you feel are necessary from that.
Here's a pic of my own wünderbike (not used for commuting) which probably goes a long way toward explaining why I like Patrick's so much.

I am far outside the bell curve fitting wise I'm 6'2" with a real close to 30" inseam i.e. I ride 55x58-60 depending on angles. The gentleman/lady bought a bike because the shop told him it was cool an he wanted a smaller bike most likely because it's more racy. You ordered an ill fitting frame through QBP most likely because it was in the warehouse and close enough.
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#467
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Sorry sir, saddle is already level, and the stem/spacer stack is what fits me. But the more I ride the more flexible I'm getting so I'm actually in the market for a 6° stem instead of what's on there now.
I have longer legs but a shorter reach. Any larger frame and I would be too stretched out.
This ain't the 41 dammit
I have longer legs but a shorter reach. Any larger frame and I would be too stretched out.
This ain't the 41 dammit

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From: Kherson, Ukraine
Bikes: Old steel GT's, for touring and commuting

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QBP is the importer of mass produced Ridley's..
Remember you pointed out the long stem on my Colnago? That stem is there because Italians use a much slacker HT angle. That slacker HT angle will let you use a normal stem at a normal angle because your TT will be shorter and a slack HT means more rise out of standard stems.
I like forums I tend to like the cycling community on forums but I wish people would stop posting "what such and such should I buy" it ends up putting people on bikes that aren't right because we all say well I love my trekgiantfelt so you should too with no thought given to anything other than it's mine.
Ultegra doesn't change it's nonwuderbike status. When the downtube says Parlee et. al. I'll call it a wunderbike
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So you have Belgian Trek with 105 and you call it a wünderbike, please come back when your bike costs about 7 times what yours does and is bespoke.
I am far outside the bell curve fitting wise I'm 6'2" with a real close to 30" inseam i.e. I ride 55x58-60 depending on angles. The gentleman/lady bought a bike because the shop told him it was cool an he wanted a smaller bike most likely because it's more racy. You ordered an ill fitting frame through QBP most likely because it was in the warehouse and close enough.
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I am far outside the bell curve fitting wise I'm 6'2" with a real close to 30" inseam i.e. I ride 55x58-60 depending on angles. The gentleman/lady bought a bike because the shop told him it was cool an he wanted a smaller bike most likely because it's more racy. You ordered an ill fitting frame through QBP most likely because it was in the warehouse and close enough.
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Yeah I'm 5'11 with close to a 34" inseam. So you see anything larger than a 56 feels like it's way too long. One shop tried to put me on an Orbea size 57 with a 70mm stem. I wasn't having that.You should have looked beyond Felt. If you need a shorter top tube find some Asian made Italian stuff vs some Asian made asian stuff it'll have a slacker head tube angle while maintaining the the steeper seat tube. This will give you the shorter TT you need while letting tou buy a bike that can have a level saddle and no riser stem.
*edit* wait, your posts sound like a combination of Bianchi10 in the 41 and acidfast (used to live in Germany) in this forum. Y'all kin to one another?
#472
Well, I love my mass produced Ridley, "happy" stem and all.
Head tube angle changes more than just the top tube length, and by itself it doesn't change top tube length much at all. If I had a head tube long enough to put the bars where I want them without a sloping stem, I'd need more slope in the top tube just to be able to stand over the thing (regardless of top tube length), and that would be ugly too.
Head tube angle changes more than just the top tube length, and by itself it doesn't change top tube length much at all. If I had a head tube long enough to put the bars where I want them without a sloping stem, I'd need more slope in the top tube just to be able to stand over the thing (regardless of top tube length), and that would be ugly too.
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Well, I love my mass produced Ridley, "happy" stem and all.
Head tube angle changes more than just the top tube length, and by itself it doesn't change top tube length much at all. If I had a head tube long enough to put the bars where I want them without a sloping stem, I'd need more slope in the top tube just to be able to stand over the thing (regardless of top tube length), and that would be ugly too.
Head tube angle changes more than just the top tube length, and by itself it doesn't change top tube length much at all. If I had a head tube long enough to put the bars where I want them without a sloping stem, I'd need more slope in the top tube just to be able to stand over the thing (regardless of top tube length), and that would be ugly too.
There is a balance between slammed stems the requires a contortionist to get into the hooks and happy stem/80mm stem etc.







