First time this season I got yelled at due to my lights...I think.
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People honk and yell at me every so often for no other reason than 1) I am on a bike and 2) I am on the road with them.
God forbid that someone in a car be delayed for 15 seconds because of a bike!
God forbid that someone in a car be delayed for 15 seconds because of a bike!
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I have received negative feedback from my lights in the past. A pedestrian once yelled "F*** yo light!" and cyclists going the opposite way have informed me that the front light is rude. I usually cover it with my hand when cyclists approach UNLESS they are salmoning. Then I let them eat light.
Yes, but as others have mentioned...how did he know?
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I just had this happen to me this evening. I was leaving a supermarket around 7:00 PM when someone standing in the parking lot shouted at me saying "Thank you for using the light!" I had mine on in blinking mode. I'm not sure if he meant it or was sarcastic about the brightness. He sure was smiling...
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It's that time of the year here in Athens where everyone's frustrated by the fleeing good weather and -back to normal- post-summer work schedules.
This is the time I get yelled at most for just being on the road and delaying the drivers from arriving to work/home, even if the delay could be counted in seconds.
Ride on; smile and wave and keep making your great vids Joey!
BTW: you can never have too much lighting while commuting in the dark; that is, unless all traffic stops, drivers get out and kneel on the ground believing your lights are the second coming!
This is the time I get yelled at most for just being on the road and delaying the drivers from arriving to work/home, even if the delay could be counted in seconds.
Ride on; smile and wave and keep making your great vids Joey!
BTW: you can never have too much lighting while commuting in the dark; that is, unless all traffic stops, drivers get out and kneel on the ground believing your lights are the second coming!
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Riding a bicycle is not inherently a virtuous activity. It definitely is not so if it is at the expense of someone else's well being. The thing is, it usually is possible to ride a bicycle without hurting others. You just have to plan your route, keeping in mind the time of day and traffic patterns, and understand that is your responsibility to not put yourself in situations where there can be a high risk of being hit if you end up in a drivers blind spot. One must consider themselves invisible while riding, or in some cases, even having target on their back. It might not be fair to have to do so, but then life is not fair, and it never will be.
Lastly, I am amazed at how much light can be put out by such small devices nowadays. There is a natural human tendency to want to exploit that power, and being a gadget geek I understand that. But it still doesn't absolve one of their duty to be good citizen and conscientious of others. Just because we may feel ostracized by society for our chosen hobby, doesn't mean we are now allowed to give society the bird. This seems so obvious to me, but I live in BFE flyover country, so maybe its just a cultural thing.
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That driver was rudely jarred back into actively paying attention to the road thanks to your blinky rear light, which compelled him to put down his gold-tone iphone and stop reading that life-or-death horoscope text message that just came in.
So you've deprived him of his state of distracted autopilot bliss that compelled him to take a verbal jab at you.
Next time, you should be mindful not to disturb those driving while in a zombie state of mind. His rude reaction to you is proof that zombies don't like to be disturbed from their stupor. That would also explain why he wanted to cut you off to get you to feel the same way as his disturbed state of being.
Next time, have a heart for these wandering zombies, or start riding like one so they may leave you alone... At least, until one of them absentmindedly runs over you.
So you've deprived him of his state of distracted autopilot bliss that compelled him to take a verbal jab at you.
Next time, you should be mindful not to disturb those driving while in a zombie state of mind. His rude reaction to you is proof that zombies don't like to be disturbed from their stupor. That would also explain why he wanted to cut you off to get you to feel the same way as his disturbed state of being.
Next time, have a heart for these wandering zombies, or start riding like one so they may leave you alone... At least, until one of them absentmindedly runs over you.
I don't mean to be difficult, and maybe I am playing devils advocate here, but I don't believe riding a bicycle gives one the license to be an annoyance to their fellow man. If you must be a jerk in order to do some activity, I think that is grounds to consider that maybe you are doing it wrong.
Riding a bicycle is not inherently a virtuous activity. It definitely is not so if it is at the expense of someone else's well being. The thing is, it usually is possible to ride a bicycle without hurting others. You just have to plan your route, keeping in mind the time of day and traffic patterns, and understand that is your responsibility to not put yourself in situations where there can be a high risk of being hit if you end up in a drivers blind spot. One must consider themselves invisible while riding, or in some cases, even having target on their back. It might not be fair to have to do so, but then life is not fair, and it never will be.
Lastly, I am amazed at how much light can be put out by such small devices nowadays. There is a natural human tendency to want to exploit that power, and being a gadget geek I understand that. But it still doesn't absolve one of their duty to be good citizen and conscientious of others. Just because we may feel ostracized by society for our chosen hobby, doesn't mean we are now allowed to give society the bird. This seems so obvious to me, but I live in BFE flyover country, so maybe its just a cultural thing.
Riding a bicycle is not inherently a virtuous activity. It definitely is not so if it is at the expense of someone else's well being. The thing is, it usually is possible to ride a bicycle without hurting others. You just have to plan your route, keeping in mind the time of day and traffic patterns, and understand that is your responsibility to not put yourself in situations where there can be a high risk of being hit if you end up in a drivers blind spot. One must consider themselves invisible while riding, or in some cases, even having target on their back. It might not be fair to have to do so, but then life is not fair, and it never will be.
Lastly, I am amazed at how much light can be put out by such small devices nowadays. There is a natural human tendency to want to exploit that power, and being a gadget geek I understand that. But it still doesn't absolve one of their duty to be good citizen and conscientious of others. Just because we may feel ostracized by society for our chosen hobby, doesn't mean we are now allowed to give society the bird. This seems so obvious to me, but I live in BFE flyover country, so maybe its just a cultural thing.
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I don't mean to be difficult, and maybe I am playing devils advocate here, but I don't believe riding a bicycle gives one the license to be an annoyance to their fellow man. If you must be a jerk in order to do some activity, I think that is grounds to consider that maybe you are doing it wrong.
I would also consider that a cyclists' use of lighting as being a dutiful citizen and mindful of others. The last thing I want to do is hit a person (bike or no) because they were invisible (neighborhood joggers, I'm speaking to you...). It injures or kills them and makes my life and that of their loved ones difficult at best.
So I'd rather have that momentary irritation of being flashed by a bright light than having to wait for an EMT and police to show up to help a hapless cyclist or jogger. Likewise if a cyclist came around me as I was turning right at a stop. Who even let's that crap worry them??? Acknowledge, move on...
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I get yelled at all the time for my bright lights - so far all yellers have been ninja salmon. No wait, I tell a lie. One was a homeless bum under a bridge who didn't like my light shining on him as I rode by.
ETA: I did take advantage of my work's vision insurance and discovered that I have HORRIBLE eyesight. As in, the big E on the top of the chart was too blurry for me to read. I now have a pair of specs, and suddenly I don't need my brightest lights to see anymore.
ETA: I did take advantage of my work's vision insurance and discovered that I have HORRIBLE eyesight. As in, the big E on the top of the chart was too blurry for me to read. I now have a pair of specs, and suddenly I don't need my brightest lights to see anymore.
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I don't think in the least the OP was doing anything to annoy anyone on the road per se (yes I know this is JoeyBike we're talking about...), but lighting on a bike is really kind of essential for riding during dark and is no different than a vehicle, even if it flashing (which is no different than emergency vehicles right?). And riding/riving defensively can be consider the same for both for the same reason (survival via accident avoidance).
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I'm not a big fan of flashing lights. I can understand that some people's brains might be wired such as to not be annoyed by this, like some people can listen to fingernails on a chalkboard and not get the chills. Even if it doesn't freak you out, though, you still would not scratch chalkboards unless you are a jerk.
Rear blinkies are somewhat okay if they are relatively dull red lights, and I agree that is t my important that you are noticed from behind, but it needs to be a slow flash. Strobes are for raves, which are fine when you are inebriated with all sorts of chemicals. Not when you are sober.
I am sure the OP is not meaning to be a jerk, but that doesn't mean that others don't perceive him as such for going around with an obnoxious light show in public.
Rear blinkies are somewhat okay if they are relatively dull red lights, and I agree that is t my important that you are noticed from behind, but it needs to be a slow flash. Strobes are for raves, which are fine when you are inebriated with all sorts of chemicals. Not when you are sober.
I am sure the OP is not meaning to be a jerk, but that doesn't mean that others don't perceive him as such for going around with an obnoxious light show in public.
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Cagers seem to exhibit this sense of entitlement with regards to the road and there in lies the problem me thinks. They forget that although a cyclist doesn't pay taxes to maintain them directly as a cyclist, many of us own cars as well.
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I noticed something tonight. Jay walk pedestrians are more likely to stop and not walk in front of me when I have my white blinky light going. Will have to pay attention to this. Might try running it in the day as well.
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This may be a cynic in me, but when the motorists show annoyance at bicycles' bright and/or flashing lights, I tend to feel as though it's because they're bicycles, not because the lights are dazzling or annoying. I don't hear a whole lot of complaints about the HID (Xenon) headlights being too bright or the modulated headlights of motorcycles being too annoying. It's like the motorists talking about how cyclists are all lawbreakers, totally ignoring the fact that they most probably break laws just as often, if not more.
The modulating motorcycle headlights are different. They are used during the day where they will not blind you but make you notice them. That is how you should be running a blinking light on a bicycle, during the day so people can notice your narrow stance riding close to the background on the edge of the road where people aren't focused. They should not be used at night. It is illegal (where I live) for a headlight to be blinking or modulating on a motorcycle at night, why shouldn't it be that way on a bicycle?
Recently they put strobe lights on top of school busses here. I can't stand the stupid things. I have to tailgate the busses to get them from flashing in my eyes distracting me. It's either tailgate them or constantly slow down to a really slow speed to get them to move ahead. Problem with slowing down is that it is difficult to drive 35 mph on a 55 mph road and you end up speeding back up and catching back up to the school bus whom none of them seem to be able to do more than 45 mph. So, to get the blinding distracting flashing light out of my eyes right in front of me, I have to tailgate them.
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People are getting used to hid lights on cars. They still aren't used to brighter lights on bicycles, so they overreact. A car's headlights on low beam are still pretty blinding, a light that produces more than half that amount of light on a bicycle is really bright.
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It indicated to me that when cyclists have a choice, they'll go for glare over courtesy... I would have, too, but for the model I wanted being sold out.
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For my folding bike on my bike-bus-bike commute, I have a handlebar mount light @ 250 lumens. If there's enough light otherwise provided by streetlights, if I'm approaching a pedestrian walking my way, I will turn the light down about 45 degrees to take it out of their face. Kind of like dimming high-beams in a car for approaching traffic.
This is in a rural area, where pedestrians walking after dark is a rarity. I'd probably not bother with this courtesy in a city, but if my regular commute was well-lit, I'd probably not be using as bright a light anyway.
This is in a rural area, where pedestrians walking after dark is a rarity. I'd probably not bother with this courtesy in a city, but if my regular commute was well-lit, I'd probably not be using as bright a light anyway.
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this isn't true, municipalities receive very little gas tax money and so local roads are mostly paid for by taxes that we all pay.
People are getting used to hid lights on cars. They still aren't used to brighter lights on bicycles, so they overreact. A car's headlights on low beam are still pretty blinding, a light that produces more than half that amount of light on a bicycle is really bright.
People are getting used to hid lights on cars. They still aren't used to brighter lights on bicycles, so they overreact. A car's headlights on low beam are still pretty blinding, a light that produces more than half that amount of light on a bicycle is really bright.
Two, I find that hard to believe. For one I hate them and find them obnoxious, and read threads on car forums about HID installs getting crap from other drivers on the road (mostly due to improper aiming of said obnoxious lights), hell just 45 mins ago I was irked with a Honda Civic blinding me from the back, a car which is lower than my CX5. But as I stated before, life's too short to sweat the small stuff. And in addition, I'm not sure if the average driver differentiates a single bright light of a cyclist from that of a motorcycle or a car with a headlight out and makes much of a conscious or subconscious decision to single out a cyclist only.
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I don't mean to be difficult, and maybe I am playing devils advocate here, but I don't believe riding a bicycle gives one the license to be an annoyance to their fellow man. If you must be a jerk in order to do some activity, I think that is grounds to consider that maybe you are doing it wrong.
Riding a bicycle is not inherently a virtuous activity. It definitely is not so if it is at the expense of someone else's well being. The thing is, it usually is possible to ride a bicycle without hurting others. You just have to plan your route, keeping in mind the time of day and traffic patterns, and understand that is your responsibility to not put yourself in situations where there can be a high risk of being hit if you end up in a drivers blind spot. One must consider themselves invisible while riding, or in some cases, even having target on their back. It might not be fair to have to do so, but then life is not fair, and it never will be.
Lastly, I am amazed at how much light can be put out by such small devices nowadays. There is a natural human tendency to want to exploit that power, and being a gadget geek I understand that. But it still doesn't absolve one of their duty to be good citizen and conscientious of others. Just because we may feel ostracized by society for our chosen hobby, doesn't mean we are now allowed to give society the bird. This seems so obvious to me, but I live in BFE flyover country, so maybe its just a cultural thing.
Riding a bicycle is not inherently a virtuous activity. It definitely is not so if it is at the expense of someone else's well being. The thing is, it usually is possible to ride a bicycle without hurting others. You just have to plan your route, keeping in mind the time of day and traffic patterns, and understand that is your responsibility to not put yourself in situations where there can be a high risk of being hit if you end up in a drivers blind spot. One must consider themselves invisible while riding, or in some cases, even having target on their back. It might not be fair to have to do so, but then life is not fair, and it never will be.
Lastly, I am amazed at how much light can be put out by such small devices nowadays. There is a natural human tendency to want to exploit that power, and being a gadget geek I understand that. But it still doesn't absolve one of their duty to be good citizen and conscientious of others. Just because we may feel ostracized by society for our chosen hobby, doesn't mean we are now allowed to give society the bird. This seems so obvious to me, but I live in BFE flyover country, so maybe its just a cultural thing.
We have to balance the annoyances we cause with our safety. I know where I will err in that scenario. There will always be an annoyance just around the corner. Bicyclists just want to be treated like school buses or tractors or cement trucks etc. are treated. Just slow down and be patient.
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Exact opposite of how I think and how many of the people I know think. There are a lot of complaints over the stupid HID headlights. Most people hate them. They are blinding and in reality produce less usable light for the owner/driver than just regular headlights. They are a bling look at me thing.
The modulating motorcycle headlights are different. They are used during the day where they will not blind you but make you notice them. That is how you should be running a blinking light on a bicycle, during the day so people can notice your narrow stance riding close to the background on the edge of the road where people aren't focused. They should not be used at night. It is illegal (where I live) for a headlight to be blinking or modulating on a motorcycle at night, why shouldn't it be that way on a bicycle?
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