dusk / night riding
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What do you think of this, Taylor Wheels 28-inch front wheel ZAC2000 with DH-3N20, $100 on Amazon?
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Does anyone recommend one dynamo hub over another? The shimanos seem pretty ubiquitous, but I'm not sure what else is out there.
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Everyone seems equally satisfied with all of them. Sanyo is the cheapest. I have two of them, and they work just fine for me. Shimano is probably the best overall in value and quality. I gather the Sanyo makes a bit more drag, but honestly, drag isn't a problem with my Sanyos. SON and SP are more expensive and lighter and make less drag, and, of course, they cost more.
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Everyone seems equally satisfied with all of them. Sanyo is the cheapest. I have two of them, and they work just fine for me. Shimano is probably the best overall in value and quality. I gather the Sanyo makes a bit more drag, but honestly, drag isn't a problem with my Sanyos. SON and SP are more expensive and lighter and make less drag, and, of course, they cost more.
P.S., we seem to be lurking in a lot of the same threads today, [MENTION=152773]noglider[/MENTION].
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My one suggestion with riding at night is to be careful with your speed, particularly on downhills and in poorly lit sections. Visibility is substantially reduced (even with substantial lights) and it's much hard to avoid debris and the like. I have a half-mile long descent on the way home where I can easily hit 25-30 mph. I always keep my speed around 15-20 when riding home in the dark because you never know what's coming up.
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I am tempted but it's back-burner for now mainly because I don't want to deal with rigging a circuit for my LED lights, but also don't want to buy new lights specifically for the dynamo.
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That pair of wheels looks good, at a good price. Please tell us how that works out, if you get it.
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hi,
So far, I have been a summer / fair weather commuter...
I have enjoyed it and have become more fit due to the exercise. I would really like to continue through the fall / winter but the days are getting shorter and I am a bit nervous about riding during dusk / night.
I work a normal "day" schedule that could have me at work to about 6 pm... not really a problem now, but it will get to be dusk and then dark during the fall / winter.
I ride in using a 1 lane road (one way) that has really nice bike lanes but the speed limit is 45 and drivers do go a bit faster.
I have lights (red blinky in the back and a cree 1200 lumen bike light that I can attach to the front), and I have a hi-vis reflective vest. oh, I also have this "turn signal" setup that was a gift that I have on the bike, which I have grown to like...
so I guess, I need some advice from guys that have been in the trenches both general and specific. Actually any help is much appreciated!
So far, I have been a summer / fair weather commuter...
I have enjoyed it and have become more fit due to the exercise. I would really like to continue through the fall / winter but the days are getting shorter and I am a bit nervous about riding during dusk / night.
I work a normal "day" schedule that could have me at work to about 6 pm... not really a problem now, but it will get to be dusk and then dark during the fall / winter.
I ride in using a 1 lane road (one way) that has really nice bike lanes but the speed limit is 45 and drivers do go a bit faster.
I have lights (red blinky in the back and a cree 1200 lumen bike light that I can attach to the front), and I have a hi-vis reflective vest. oh, I also have this "turn signal" setup that was a gift that I have on the bike, which I have grown to like...
so I guess, I need some advice from guys that have been in the trenches both general and specific. Actually any help is much appreciated!
I also find a helmet mounted light to be indispensable. You can direct the light where you need it, like corners. The motion of the helmet light is also eye catching to drivers without the annoying flashing. Be careful with a helmet light, however. You don't want to look people in the eyes since the light goes where your head is pointed. You can use it to get the attention of drivers how may pull out from stopsigns on you but use it that way sparingly.
I would also investigate alternative routes. 45 to 50 mph traffic isn't fun during the day and is much less fun during the night. I bet you can find something that parallels the route on a quieter street.
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Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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Sounds like you're ready for the dark days ahead. You might get a second blinky -- preferably a different brand or model. The idea is that one blinky's batteries will die and the second one will get you home safely.
As long as you're on a separate lane, you shouldn't need to worry about the traffic on your one-way stretch.
As long as you're on a separate lane, you shouldn't need to worry about the traffic on your one-way stretch.
Another suggestion is a lowered powered front light that blinks. Especially around dusk, blinking front light make you stand out as a bike more and you don't get as lost in a sea of lights.
Here's a interesting rear light from Specialized that has a sensor in it that's brighter during the day, and automatically gets less bright at night. Seems like it would be the most useful for someone riding around dusk:
Specialized Bicycle Components
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I would suggest a second (and/or third) light...front and rear. Stuff happens. Cords get damaged, mounts fail, batteries drain, lights get broken in crashes, etc. Having multiple lights reduces the chances of a single failure leaving you riding in the dark. And battery headlights are so cheap now that you won't break the bank with multiple lamps and batteries.
I also find a helmet mounted light to be indispensable. You can direct the light where you need it, like corners. The motion of the helmet light is also eye catching to drivers without the annoying flashing. Be careful with a helmet light, however. You don't want to look people in the eyes since the light goes where your head is pointed. You can use it to get the attention of drivers how may pull out from stopsigns on you but use it that way sparingly.
I would also investigate alternative routes. 45 to 50 mph traffic isn't fun during the day and is much less fun during the night. I bet you can find something that parallels the route on a quieter street.
I also find a helmet mounted light to be indispensable. You can direct the light where you need it, like corners. The motion of the helmet light is also eye catching to drivers without the annoying flashing. Be careful with a helmet light, however. You don't want to look people in the eyes since the light goes where your head is pointed. You can use it to get the attention of drivers how may pull out from stopsigns on you but use it that way sparingly.
I would also investigate alternative routes. 45 to 50 mph traffic isn't fun during the day and is much less fun during the night. I bet you can find something that parallels the route on a quieter street.
I tried a planet bike blinkie that was helmet mounted as an experiment. It used old cheap LEDs, but a novel auto leveling system. It is great bang for the buck!
Sold me, higher is better... multiple lights apart from each other better still.
So picked up vis 360+... It is incredible. Got to see it from others perspective when I loaned it to my daughter. Extremely effective.
Brighter is better, but I'm also sold on wide angle.
So rear lights are so far, are a tl-ld1100 bolted to the rack, a PBSF turbo on chain stay. The tail light from the 360+... But after a bonus from my boss who is very concerned (she knows 3 people who were hit on bikes) I was trying to decide between a dinote quad and a light and motion 180 vis... Went with the 180 vis... so PBSF will be demoted to rt chain stay...
Using 5000lm mj-880 cheap clones for bar mounted, with erratic luck. They're nowhere near what they say they put out, but when they work they're glorious!
But without it I came across a 2 stealth campers... They said I looked like a UFO! So since my inspiration is Close Encounters of the Third Kinds, I'm on my way!
Now for the sound system!
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What do you think of this, Taylor Wheels 28-inch front wheel ZAC2000 with DH-3N20, $100 on Amazon?
That's the cheap Shimano dynamo I recommend to people.
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To those advocating 2 or 3 lights front and rear, how do you deal with charging them all? I currently use a total of three lights and it's a pain to charge them all, particularly since one uses microusb (Solas Niterider), one uses miniusb (Cygolite Metro), and one is proprietary (Blackburn Flea rear).
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Not that I charge many things every night, but I suggest you make a system for nightly charging. Get enough adapters as you need for simultaneous charging, or get a multi-port adapter, such as this one. I charge my phone and tablet every night. I have a list of USB things I charge to remind me, and it includes my headlight, bike-GPS, headphones, etc. I have a power strip set up as my "charging station" for convenience and habit formation.
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To those advocating 2 or 3 lights front and rear, how do you deal with charging them all? I currently use a total of three lights and it's a pain to charge them all, particularly since one uses microusb (Solas Niterider), one uses miniusb (Cygolite Metro), and one is proprietary (Blackburn Flea rear).
At work, helmet lights charge from usb on computer, 880 clones charge from wall with own charger... I have also used a 808 clone fitted with red wide angle lens fitted. It is FANTASTIC, but this particular on drains batteries. Bright as all get out, like flash is high with constant low. Pack lasts only 40 minutes on flash... low (which is STILL amazing) runs about an hour. So something is wrong with this particular clone. One morning before sun up in the fog, I was casting quite the cloud of red behind me...
Oh on helmet mounts, they work wonders on dogs. Flash stops them even during the day, just beam them in the eyes.
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I work the graveyard shift and my commute is always dark, you get used to it after awhile.
I feel that night commuting is safer if you have the right gear.
I wear a hi-viz vest and my Schwalbe Marathon + tires have a nice reflective strip as do my handle bar bag, frame bag and trunk bag.
On the rear of my bike I run a Serfas blinky, a Cygolite Hotshot and have a spare Blackburn.
On the front I run a Serfas blinky and 2 Cygolite Metro 300 lights.
They are all USB rechargable.
This set up works great and I am always running 2 front lights and 2 rear lights with a spare front and rear ready to go, so I can really run 3 front and 3 rear if I need to.
I find that cars give me a lot of room and I have been told that I look like a rolling X-mas tree...lol
It is all Psychological once you get used to the dark, rain, snow etc.
I feel that night commuting is safer if you have the right gear.
I wear a hi-viz vest and my Schwalbe Marathon + tires have a nice reflective strip as do my handle bar bag, frame bag and trunk bag.
On the rear of my bike I run a Serfas blinky, a Cygolite Hotshot and have a spare Blackburn.
On the front I run a Serfas blinky and 2 Cygolite Metro 300 lights.
They are all USB rechargable.
This set up works great and I am always running 2 front lights and 2 rear lights with a spare front and rear ready to go, so I can really run 3 front and 3 rear if I need to.
I find that cars give me a lot of room and I have been told that I look like a rolling X-mas tree...lol
It is all Psychological once you get used to the dark, rain, snow etc.
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To those advocating 2 or 3 lights front and rear, how do you deal with charging them all? I currently use a total of three lights and it's a pain to charge them all, particularly since one uses microusb (Solas Niterider), one uses miniusb (Cygolite Metro), and one is proprietary (Blackburn Flea rear).
I didn't find the charging cable types to be a problem, but it was annoying to take the lights on and off the bike all the time. So that's how I solved it.
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No one mentioned handle bar end lights so here I go. Handle bar end lights. I use them and Vis 360 helmet system. I have a cat eye front head light for the bike going forward. Reflective ankle straps and clothing that has reflective seams. Back pack has LEDs that are battery powered attached with zip ties. Valve stem lights
for the side view stuff. Good god I need to loose more weight so I can get another light!
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for the side view stuff. Good god I need to loose more weight so I can get another light!
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I think this is my problem. The front and rear lights are simple to take on/off, but the flea requires pulling the velcro strap off the helmet, using the special charger, and then putting it back on. I may switch over to a different light just to avoid dealing with it.
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To those advocating 2 or 3 lights front and rear, how do you deal with charging them all? I currently use a total of three lights and it's a pain to charge them all, particularly since one uses microusb (Solas Niterider), one uses miniusb (Cygolite Metro), and one is proprietary (Blackburn Flea rear).
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Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
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Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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ok, I will look into getting redundant lights... any changes how you ride during dark?
and I know I messed up the description of the road so I will try to fix:
its a 2 lane road (1 lane each way) that has a bike lane on each side about 4-5 ft in width. There is an intersection that I do have to cross and the bike lane, of course, continues on through the intersection. the intersection widens into a left turn lane (with left turn arrow), straight lane, and bicycle lane.
the road does have a 45 mph speed limit but the motorists do go faster... and there are no parallel roads to use (unfortunately).
oh and the ride is only about 5.5 miles.
and I know I messed up the description of the road so I will try to fix:
its a 2 lane road (1 lane each way) that has a bike lane on each side about 4-5 ft in width. There is an intersection that I do have to cross and the bike lane, of course, continues on through the intersection. the intersection widens into a left turn lane (with left turn arrow), straight lane, and bicycle lane.
the road does have a 45 mph speed limit but the motorists do go faster... and there are no parallel roads to use (unfortunately).
oh and the ride is only about 5.5 miles.
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ok, I will look into getting redundant lights... any changes how you ride during dark?
and I know I messed up the description of the road so I will try to fix:
its a 2 lane road (1 lane each way) that has a bike lane on each side about 4-5 ft in width. There is an intersection that I do have to cross and the bike lane, of course, continues on through the intersection. the intersection widens into a left turn lane (with left turn arrow), straight lane, and bicycle lane.
the road does have a 45 mph speed limit but the motorists do go faster... and there are no parallel roads to use (unfortunately).
oh and the ride is only about 5.5 miles.
and I know I messed up the description of the road so I will try to fix:
its a 2 lane road (1 lane each way) that has a bike lane on each side about 4-5 ft in width. There is an intersection that I do have to cross and the bike lane, of course, continues on through the intersection. the intersection widens into a left turn lane (with left turn arrow), straight lane, and bicycle lane.
the road does have a 45 mph speed limit but the motorists do go faster... and there are no parallel roads to use (unfortunately).
oh and the ride is only about 5.5 miles.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#48
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To those advocating 2 or 3 lights front and rear, how do you deal with charging them all? I currently use a total of three lights and it's a pain to charge them all, particularly since one uses microusb (Solas Niterider), one uses miniusb (Cygolite Metro), and one is proprietary (Blackburn Flea rear).
My lights only need charging every 3 or 4 days of riding. I just plug one set in as soon as I get home, switch to another before bed if needed. I don't have that many lights but I have one or two cameras to charge as well, and I have my phone on the charger every night and a pair of bluetooth headsets that I swap out every 2 days or so.
Sometimes I charge stuff at work, I just plug it into the PC where there are 4 USB plugs and I have a handful of cables (they're about $3 each, buy a bunch).
You likely have MANY USB ports available to plug things into, and cables are cheap.
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I'm a fan of spoke lights and/or reflectors for visibility. A friend recommended this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Now nearly every bike in the family has them (not the best picture, but you get the idea). They're durable too.
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My one suggestion with riding at night is to be careful with your speed, particularly on downhills and in poorly lit sections. Visibility is substantially reduced (even with substantial lights) and it's much hard to avoid debris and the like. I have a half-mile long descent on the way home where I can easily hit 25-30 mph. I always keep my speed around 15-20 when riding home in the dark because you never know what's coming up.



