Experimentation and proof by scientists vs. theory and debate by scientists

Climate change in this context anyway are the changes in regional climates, observed from statistics of weather patterns, generally speaking from the mid-1900's when we're talking about effects of fossil fuels.

It's real science, but as far as I can tell any political expression regarding climate change, from any political direction becomes "junk science".

That makes it easy to spot. Any political opinion, expressed anywhere in the discussion, means that everything surrounding it is "junk science".

So the theory of relativity was junk science?

With nothing more, I suppose it would have been. However, I think the theory has been proven correct by experimentation and proof.

You can read all about it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_science

This misunderstanding about "proof" is why it's so difficult to get scientific concepts across to the public, and why it's so easy for politicians and propagandists to say, "It's just a theory," or, "It's not really proven."

Scientific consensus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The inherent uncertainty in science, where theories are never proven but can only be disproven (see falsifiability), poses a problem for politicians, policymakers, lawyers, and business professionals. Where scientific or philosophical questions can often languish in uncertainty for decades within their disciplinary settings, policymakers are faced with the problems of making sound decisions based on the currently available data, even if it is likely not a final form of the "truth". The tricky part is discerning what is close enough to "final truth"."

Ummm...we do know what is happening to the climate. And we do know what the cause is. And we do know what can be done about it.
It's not a ploy for government funding - it's an attempt to, you know, help the planet and all the species on it.

People like you absolutely frighten me. Not because you don't care, but because you so vehemently choose not to believe things like this, and completely ignore the science and the evidence. And also that you choose the stance of putting it on future generations because "it won't affect me so what do I care?" The thing is, it needs to be solved now before it gets to the point where future generations can't do anything about it.

Loved the "Use as Corporate PR" section

I'd say give this climate change thing a couple hundred more years and see whether it's true. Right now, I have to get ready to face the polar vortex caused by global warming. 68 F with a gentle southerly breeze. No complaints here.

Confusing weather with climate is another common issue in understanding climate science.

Sorry to be rude here, but you're being stupid, alan s. As we've said a few times, theories are never proven, by the very definition of the word theory. And theory is the best we have, and it is the best we will ever have. The fact that germs cause certain diseases is called germ theory, and it has never been proven, and it will never be proven, because it can never possibly be proven. There happens to be a preponderance of evidence to support it, but it might one day be disproven with another, more sound theory. I can't imagine what that theory would be. You clearly do not understand the scientific process. The more you say, the more ignorant you appear, and I rarely address people this way. I say it to give you an opportunity to stop speaking so foolishly. This is well beyond a difference of opinion. You are just plain mistaken about how science works. What you know about it is wrong, not an opinion.

My opinion of all this is... Mankind is going to get it's "ass" kicked by "mother earth" for not living sustainably with "mother earth" JMO can't prove it, but that is how things work in the long run...

It's going to be butt azz cold tomorrow morning. I'll be thoughtfully layering on clothing then carefully (snow too they say) pedaling to work in 5 degree temps.

The climate change theories will be the furthest thing from my mind.

My grandparents & my parents taught me that it is anyone's personal responsibility to help others if they can, and if you cannot help them, don't make their struggle worse than it needs to be.

We lost a large tree in an 80 mph gust that was close enough to have crushed into our house, but it instead fell feet away and onto another tree across the yard. That was pretty eye-opening..... no one is immune to nature's wrath. It really is here now, affecting us now, and not some far away place that no one has ever been to that you know. I know people in NJ that had to outright move due to the damage and the power being out. FEMA and Red Cross did such an amazing job finding accommodations for people in NJ. In NY it was a bit less organized. I actually tried to book a room anywhere near NYC so that i could go and volunteer more than the 2 times i did, but everything was either occupied or had been reserved for evacuees. On a more personal note, a gentleman i knew from near atlantic highlands had his house flooded 10 feet underwater. He was a NJ transit engineer, great guy, loved his work, and he died 8 months after the storm.... i'm thinking the stress of having an unlivable house and all that related stuff just eroded his health.

In any case..... i do what i can when i can, and i always will, because that's how i was raised.

- Andy

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