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Old 12-05-14 | 06:37 PM
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I swear I saw this like 20 years ago.
You did. So did I.
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Old 12-06-14 | 08:39 AM
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I hate seeing my taxes spent on Tools of Violence against my fellow Humans .
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But it's OK to spend your taxes on adding another freeway lane somewhere?
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Honestly, I would love to see your taxes spent on something like this. Bike escalators are far cooler than more cheap consumer junk and factory farm food.
I agree wholeheartedly that the government spends a huge amount of money on things that are foolish or immoral. Wouldn't it be nice for each taxpayer to have a line item choice?

In this case, I see a project that is rather novel, but as it benefits just a few at more than moderate expense (both construction and maintenance), the ROI is low. The government should support accessibility improvements that benefit those that really need transportation help. In this case however; they would be spending money just to help cyclists, who, though they may not be strong enough to ride up the hill, are too lazy to get off their bike and walk up.
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Old 12-06-14 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Matariki
I agree wholeheartedly that the government spends a huge amount of money on things that are foolish or immoral. Wouldn't it be nice for each taxpayer to have a line item choice?

In this case, I see a project that is rather novel, but as it benefits just a few at more than moderate expense (both construction and maintenance), the ROI is low. The government should support accessibility improvements that benefit those that really need transportation help. In this case however; they would be spending money just to help cyclists, who, though they may not be strong enough to ride up the hill, are too lazy to get off their bike and walk up.
How about that this encourages the use of alternative transportation... thus cleaner air, less noise pollution, and yes a moderate amount of exercise... why force it?
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Why not just walk your bike up the hill if you don't want to ride? I would hate to see my taxes spent on something like this.
But you have no problem with mass amounts of your taxes going to the pockets of fossil fuel and defence industry companies while getting their own huge tax breaks?

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Old 12-07-14 | 07:18 PM
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How about that this encourages the use of alternative transportation... thus cleaner air, less noise pollution, and yes a moderate amount of exercise... why force it?
Could work in some situations and thus certainly could benefit from some study. There are probably more cost effective measures though.
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Old 12-07-14 | 07:27 PM
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But you have no problem with mass amounts of your taxes going to the pockets of fossil fuel and defence industry companies while getting their own huge tax breaks?

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Andy, Are you asking for an answer or have you already decided on what the answer is? If the former, see Post #27 .
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I was being rhetorical and cranky. Cannot stand when people do not seem to comprehend that taxes make the country function from air traffic control to picking up roadkill and everything in between & think that Bob & jane from next door paved the local interstate all on their own.

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Old 12-07-14 | 07:37 PM
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One of my Marine Corps drill instructors once told me "p#$$!3$ can't be heros". I would like to think that it also applies to escalatoring your bike up a hill.
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Old 12-07-14 | 07:50 PM
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One of my Marine Corps drill instructors once told me "p#$$!3$ can't be heros". I would like to think that it also applies to escalatoring your bike up a hill.
I doubt that the guy (or gal) carrying home groceries on a bike (or on a daily commute to work) is concerned about seeming herioc. Given the topography of that town it appears the escalator can make getting around by bike convenient enough that many people can forgo use of a car for many of their daily trips. Seems like worthwhile infrastructure for that community.
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Old 12-07-14 | 07:54 PM
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I doubt that the guy (or gal) carrying home groceries on a bike (or on a daily commute to work) is concerned about seeming herioc. Given the topography of that town it appears the escalator can make getting around by bike convenient enough that many people can forgo use of a car for many of their daily trips. Seems like worthwhile infrastructure for that community.
Carry your darn groceries up hill on foot than. It's because of thought processes like this that half of America is fat, lazy, and usless.
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I think if I were a kid I'd be doing laps on that
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I think if I were a kid I'd be doing laps on that
Some do but any adults around will say something to them after a couple of trips. I think most of them use it enough that there's little fun or novelty.

Interestingly Skirail/Poma have purchased rights to it and are beginning to market it elsewhere.
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Some do but any adults around will say something to them after a couple of trips.
Just to be killjoys? If the kids have the fare what's it to ya?
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Old 12-07-14 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilWeasel
Carry your darn groceries up hill on foot than. It's because of thought processes like this that half of America is fat, lazy, and usless.
half of america isn't even close to getting on a bike for any reason
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Old 12-07-14 | 11:04 PM
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But does it crank it up to 400 watts?
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Old 12-07-14 | 11:33 PM
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Carry your darn groceries up hill on foot than. It's because of thought processes like this that half of America is fat, lazy, and usless.
It's not the US that's building this kind of infrastructure, but the city of Trondheim in Norway which cares enough about encouraging their citizens to get around by bicycle instead of driving that they built this escalator. I suspect that is one of the factors that has resulted in Norway having an obesity rate that is only about one fourth that of the US.

BTW, I just carted about 60 lbs. of groceries home on the back of my bicycle earlier tonight. Fortunately I don't have any major climbs along the way. But if I did my inclination would have been to hop in one of our cars instead of trudging up a hill on foot with that kind of a load. Sure I could do it and have climbed some mountains with backpacks weighing almost that much - but it's not the way to encourage people to leave their cars behind for many of their daily errands.
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Old 12-07-14 | 11:48 PM
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Wierd.
So you have to keep one foot on a wheeled device, and one foot on the pusher.
And they charge money to use it?

Not much of a benefit for pedestrians.

Is it only "assisting" one person at a time?

A rope pull like is used in ski areas would be just as effective, and easy enough to allow dozens of people to grab on.

I thought hills were made to get a little exercise.

When I read Bike Escalator, I was envisioning something more like this.


Where one pedals to run a generator to reduce the power required to run the escalator.
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Old 12-07-14 | 11:59 PM
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I have no opinion (except that I wanna ride it), until I find out what that "card in, card out" first instruction on the machine costs a rider. Public infrastructure that is at least largely paid for by user fees, I have no problems with.

Like Norway needs this Canadian's ok.

And I still wanna ride it.
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half of america isn't even close to getting on a bike for any reason
I love destroying people's ideas of needing a car, however i must agree and say most people are addicted to their rolling sofas.

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Old 12-08-14 | 12:42 AM
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I hate seeing my taxes spent on Tools of Violence against my fellow Humans .
When I was a solder and a tiny little cog in the protective system that keeps so many people free..... I liked those taxpayer supported tools. Defense is the first function of every government.
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'Free' has become a euphemism for policing the world with a permanent war state ..

2 billion dollar things with a106% budget over run which is the essence of a Corrupted Military industrial congressional Media complex

USN 1966 to 1969, now with Veterans for Peace// & off the Koolaide.
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When I was a solder and a tiny little cog in the protective system that keeps so many people free..... I liked those taxpayer supported tools. Defense is the first function of every government.

Oh, so you never saw any waste or unnecessary spending? Do tell.
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Old 12-08-14 | 10:54 AM
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I love destroying people's ideas of needing a car, however i must agree and say most people are addicted to their rolling sofas.

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Can you count on one hand (or one finger) the number of people you have persuaded that they didn't need a car with your idea destroying rhetoric?
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Old 12-08-14 | 11:06 AM
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Where one pedals to run a generator to reduce the power required to run the escalator.
How would that be better than pushing your bike up the steep part?
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Old 12-08-14 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
I hate seeing my taxes spent on Tools of Violence against my fellow Humans .

Right, how soon we forget. If not for those "tools of violence" Norway would be speaking German right now. Until ALL humans think like that, unfortunately they are necessary.
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