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Old 04-15-19, 09:04 AM
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@enveous - the end game will be to mount it on the side of my helmet if I can find a decent helmet strap that will take a tripod mount. From front on it is fairly discreet. It's a surprisingly small camera.
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Old 04-15-19, 09:10 AM
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@enveous - the end game will be to mount it on the side of my helmet if I can find a decent helmet strap that will take a tripod mount. From front on it is fairly discreet. It's a surprisingly small camera.
It seems that you're trying to reinvent the wheel here.

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Old 04-15-19, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by taz777 View Post
I have an okay Sony action cam that I used to mount on my handlebar... However, it needs to be put into that big plastic case for it to be mounted so becomes bulky if I were to mount it to a helmet.
Actually, it doesn't. There's an adapter that screws into the little hole on the bottom-front. You can then a buy lens-only protector and you've reduced some of the bulk (as well as heat). It's no longer H2)-proof, but it's at least an option.

EDIT: I see you found a 3rd-party option. Nevermind
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Old 04-15-19, 09:33 AM
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Helemt with built in camera
https://cyclevision.com.au/
stealthy! but I like that ppl know I have a camera running
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Old 04-15-19, 02:44 PM
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@enveous - the end game will be to mount it on the side of my helmet if I can find a decent helmet strap that will take a tripod mount. From front on it is fairly discreet. It's a surprisingly small camera.
That won't work. At best you'll get an obstructed view. At worst it will weigh down your helmet to on side. With the a cube or even better, a tube type camera you might be able to get away with it.

Remember, the idea is to get an unobstructed view so that the angle isn't compromised when you turn your head. Otherwise, it only records what you're looking at. The limitation to a helmet mount.
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Old 04-15-19, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
That won't work. At best you'll get an obstructed view.
Nah, it will work just fine and he won't have an obstructed view. In addition to being able to adjust the horizontal aim of the camera, he can also adjust the FOV to crop any helemt bits that wander into frame.

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At worst it will weigh down your helmet to on[sic] side.
If it should weight him down, and his helmet retention system (roc loc et al) can't compensate, it's simple to put a small counterweight on the other side of the helmet. With the Sony being pretty light my bet is that it will depend on his helmet type.

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The limitation to a helmet mount.
In the real world these limitations don't exist. Another advantage to a side mount vs. a tele tubby top mount is less camera movement/smoother capture because the camera is at the center of the head mass.
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Old 04-15-19, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by enveous View Post
Nah, it will work just fine and he won't have an obstructed view. In addition to being able to adjust the horizontal aim of the camera, he can also adjust the FOV to crop any helemt bits that wander into frame.
Your counterpoints are argumentative but unrealistic. Not all cameras have fine adjustable FOV capability. All of my points make no assumptions and are valid and more practical than not.
If it should weight him down, and his helmet retention system (roc loc et al) can't compensate, it's simple to put a small counterweight on the other side of the helmet. With the Sony being pretty light my bet is that it will depend on his helmet type.
For one, his retention system is designed to fit comfortably snug, not as a tourniquet. Second, I should point out that a camera mounted sideways would also be angled improperly resulting in an unnatural view of the sky and ground rather than to the sides where it would be most needed.

The alternative would be to add an angled mount which would add even more weight (as would a counterweight) in addition to extending the camera further away from the helmet increasing the imbalance even further.
In the real world these limitations don't exist. Another advantage to a side mount vs. a tele tubby top mount is less camera movement/smoother capture because the camera is at the center of the head mass.
Finally, your point of smother movement is completely incorrect since the center mount offers the greatest amount of stability -- its in the center.

In the "real world" limitations, compromises, and exceptions always exist. I hope I've demonstrated that above.
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Old 04-15-19, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Your counterpoints are argumentative but unrealistic. Not all cameras have fine adjustable FOV capability.
Not unrealistic. Just the facts. His camera, like the GoPros (and others) that I've used to do exactly what he wants to do, allow the user to select the FOV.




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All of my points make no assumptions and are valid and more practical than not. For one, his retention system is designed to fit comfortably snug, not as a tourniquet.
Nah, all of your points are based on assumptions that you've made whereas the points that I've made are based on a couple of decades worth of experience mounting videos cameras to the sides of helmets. Including Giro helmets with roc locs to stabilize them. "Tourniquet" is a bad analogy since the roc loc tightens on the skull, not the neck (where the arteries are).

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Second, I should point out that a camera mounted sideways would also be angled improperly resulting in an unnatural view of the sky and ground rather than to the sides where it would be most needed.
I don't know where you got this false notion that anyone is suggesting that cameras would be mounted sideways. I never suggested that. I have posted about cameras being mounted to the side of a helmet.

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The alternative would be to add an angled mount which would add even more weight (as would a counterweight) in addition to extending the camera further away from the helmet increasing the imbalance even further.
The OP doesn't need any extenders or angled mounts for his Sony. In addition, if mounting arms are needed for something like the GoPro, it's no big deal. I captured a bunch of video that way, without issue. Have you ever actually tried it or are you just making assumptions and speculating again?

Here's a screen grab that shows what it can look like when a GoPo is mounted to the side of a helmet. No obstruction, contrary to your claim above:


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Finally, your point of smother movement is completely incorrect since the center mount offers the greatest amount of stability -- its in the center.
Yeah, you truly don't know what you're trying to post about. Top mount results in much greater vertical movement of the camera and results in shakier video. That's something that I learned first hand when I first started capturing helmet-mounted video in the late 90s.

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In the "real world" limitations, compromises, and exceptions always exist. I hope I've demonstrated that above.

Nah, all you've demonstrated is that you're making assumptions that don't jive with the real world experience of someone who has actually done something that you're merely speculating about.

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Old 04-16-19, 05:44 PM
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I want to record some of my rides, and also any incidents that may happen when I'm out riding.

I'm looking for a neat, discreet and good quality helmet camera that doesn't look awkward and odd (e.g. the GoPro cams that are just too big and the wrong shape for helmet cameras).

Any recommendations? I don't need spectacularly specced action cameras as all I want to do is record simple, high quality video in 1080p as a minimum.

Budget would be up to 300 USD.
You are starting out with a large piece of plastic/fiberglass attached to your head with a chin strap and you are worried about looking awkward?
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