Why argue about cost????
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What I've paid for bikes has been all over the place. The six biggest life changers (good and bad) over the past half decade were my first 10 speed, an $80 UO-8, the $170 Lambert 6 years later which introduced me to racing and later, near killed me, my racing bike ($450 as a shop employee), my Mooney and my two Jessicas, fun fix gears costing me $105 to get riding then $4000+ as a ti custom, both ear-to-ear grin fun.
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While I dont care what someone else paid for their bike, there is a real fact that people should know. Up to a point more money buy a better wash machine or a bike. Once you reach mid level, more money only buys glitz and a name.
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People often argue these things with no basis in experience or completely based upon their own biases.
And, what if a good rider, not a great rider (from a performance perspective) is a true bike lover and they want a truly expensive bike because the components really are that cool and the paint job and welding is virtually art work, is that not completely their right to do without others judging them?
My answer is yes! Because biking has a huge happiness quotient that each person should define for themselves.
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I have a bike with Shimano Sora, a bike with Shimano "mid level" 105, and a bike with 7800 Dura Ace. The 105 shifts better than the Sora, and the Dura Ace shifts better than the "mid level" 105. A bit more than glitz and a name. Does the "mid level" 105 perform well? Yes it does, just not as well as the DA.
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Late to this discussion, but wanted to add that most of the "non-essential" expenditures that I make are due to winter boredom, when online shopping and working on the bikes in the comfort of my basement shop just plain make the time go better. A couple years ago I spent $1K+ on a set of custom wheels and really enjoyed the ordering/configuration process and the anticipation of having them delivered. They came beautifully packaged and were exactly what I had hoped for, and they sure do look good on the bike. Do they enhance my riding at all? At my skill and ability level, not a whit! Would I do it again? Heck, yes!
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Once I had a $200 WalMart bike that I enjoyed. Eventually I traded up to one that is $2000. Now I'm just as happy as I was then.
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Late to this discussion, but wanted to add that most of the "non-essential" expenditures that I make are due to winter boredom, when online shopping and working on the bikes in the comfort of my basement shop just plain make the time go better. A couple years ago I spent $1K+ on a set of custom wheels and really enjoyed the ordering/configuration process and the anticipation of having them delivered. They came beautifully packaged and were exactly what I had hoped for, and they sure do look good on the bike. Do they enhance my riding at all? At my skill and ability level, not a whit! Would I do it again? Heck, yes!
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Where is that point? Do you have personal experience of owning bikes up to that point and beyond that point? Are you an expert rider such that you have the ability to tell the difference? And, and, and....
People often argue these things with no basis in experience or completely based upon their own biases.
And, what if a good rider, not a great rider (from a performance perspective) is a true bike lover and they want a truly expensive bike because the components really are that cool and the paint job and welding is virtually art work, is that not completely their right to do without others judging them?
My answer is yes! Because biking has a huge happiness quotient that each person should define for themselves.
People often argue these things with no basis in experience or completely based upon their own biases.
And, what if a good rider, not a great rider (from a performance perspective) is a true bike lover and they want a truly expensive bike because the components really are that cool and the paint job and welding is virtually art work, is that not completely their right to do without others judging them?
My answer is yes! Because biking has a huge happiness quotient that each person should define for themselves.
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… I've had the pleasure of riding all out road bikes, you can truly feel the difference in the shifting, and in the brakes. Well made frames, of every material handle better than the run of the mill types. If you are happy with the lower equipped bicycle, and it suits you, fine, enjoy the riding. I'll back you up. Just don't sell the high end, or even the second tier models short as just being bling. Their manufacturing precision/tolerances, and the engineering will stand out.
They've never ridden a really nice bike.
My sentiments exactly, @oldnslow2… The naysayers just don’t believe a bike such as mine is worth it, though likely haven’t had enough saddle time on one to appreciate it.
…Now, considering the attitude most non- or occasional cyclists towards bicycles and prices, I’m frankly somewhat embarrassed to admit to paying so much, sounding like some over-the-top conspicuous consumption. Personally, I can afford it, and it was an offer I could not refuse. Cycling is that important to me and I’m fortunate to be able to continue the lifestyle, so that puts it in perspective for me.
I’m not that conversant with the technical specifics, nor may anyone asking the price, so the price becomes a common reference to tell what a fine piece of machinery it is. But I would nonetheless admit the price only to a close acquaintance in serious conversation.
I’m not that conversant with the technical specifics, nor may anyone asking the price, so the price becomes a common reference to tell what a fine piece of machinery it is. But I would nonetheless admit the price only to a close acquaintance in serious conversation.
… My average speed stayed the same, but I think I was hampered by injuries from the accident, and I believe the new bike compensated at least to maintain my average speed. I did note that I was more inclined to sprint (successfully) to beat traffic lights before they turned red. I further craved the smoothness of the ride, including the shifting, making cycle-commuting more pleasurable. Of greatest benefit, while long (greater than 40 mile) rides took the same amount of time as before, I felt much less tired at the end.
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I admit I've felt a tiny bit jealous of people who own something flashy that I've secretly wanted but can't justify buying. But I wouldn't judge the rider. Along with the idea that riding a bike is supposed to be fun, it's also a process. The person who seems unfit for an expensive performance bike today may be training and will become a muscled, speed machine sometime down the road.
I have a custom built road bike that isn't flashy looking at all, but boy is it a joy to ride. I had the wheels custom built, and I believe wheels determine the feel of the ride. I pass my "ballast assisted" friends on descents, which always makes me smile. It was worth every penny.
I also have an Electra Townie cruiser that I bought to have something after knee surgery, the "flat foot" geometry made it safe to ride when my knee was very weak. I assumed I'd sell it later, particularly because it looks like an oversized kid's bike, and, well, I'm a serious rider with the custom bike and all, blah blah... But I really like using for errands and tooling around the MUP trails, where you have to be ready to stop for kids and such. And now I can haul a$$ on the thing, and keeping a good speed on fat tires is pretty good for my fitness.
I have a custom built road bike that isn't flashy looking at all, but boy is it a joy to ride. I had the wheels custom built, and I believe wheels determine the feel of the ride. I pass my "ballast assisted" friends on descents, which always makes me smile. It was worth every penny.
I also have an Electra Townie cruiser that I bought to have something after knee surgery, the "flat foot" geometry made it safe to ride when my knee was very weak. I assumed I'd sell it later, particularly because it looks like an oversized kid's bike, and, well, I'm a serious rider with the custom bike and all, blah blah... But I really like using for errands and tooling around the MUP trails, where you have to be ready to stop for kids and such. And now I can haul a$$ on the thing, and keeping a good speed on fat tires is pretty good for my fitness.
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I've got absolutely no problem with anyone spending as much as they want to for a bike that gives them pleasure. Good luck to them.
For my point of view I am not a good enough cyclist, or just don't have the riding sensitivity, to appreciate, or benefit from, the difference that a top range bike can give. But if you are different, no criticism from me.
Improvement in top bikes filters down to bikes lower in the hierarchy.
For my point of view I am not a good enough cyclist, or just don't have the riding sensitivity, to appreciate, or benefit from, the difference that a top range bike can give. But if you are different, no criticism from me.
Improvement in top bikes filters down to bikes lower in the hierarchy.
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At this stage in my life, I feel blessed to have enough money to buy things that that give me pleasure. Not many people in this world can say that. Its a personal right for anyone to do what they want with their own money and not of any ones business on how they spend it.
For me, I try to be a good steward with what I have and do go out a splurge every once in a while. Splurging is where everyone has a different opinion. Maybe we shouldn't be critical of others and just congratulate them on their purchases. But if it means kids go hungry or the mortgage isn't being paid, then that's another story...
There is one thing I try to do when making a "big" purchase like getting a bike. I try to get what I need at the moment and go one step up from there. That way, when I get better and ready to upgrade I will already have it...
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I never have a problem with anyone spending whatever they want on a bike. I've seen an Ellis custom bike in person, and it was stunning. Gallery - Ellis Cycles: custom hand built bicycles & racks But, for me, I ride what works. I've totally gotten over any desire for custom or bling for bling's sake. I DO have a problem with people saying that their noodly titanium bike with down tube shifters is as good (efficient/functional) as my carbon fiber bike with integrated shifters. The more you ride, the better you get, the better you're able to discern and benefit from the amazing technology that's available in the marketplace.
I've probably bought my last road bike, but new mountain bikes are singing their siren's song for me and my wife.
I've probably bought my last road bike, but new mountain bikes are singing their siren's song for me and my wife.
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I created a thread about bike lovers versus bike snobs, and the OP was all about the humor in how things are viewed. Some folks kept it fun, some went off onto the never ending debate about cost, value, and the egos that go with those.
So, why on earth does anyone care what someone else spent on a bike? I have known bike lovers and bike snobs from both the Walmart bike crowd and the Colnago (et al) crowd. So, why do some people care what others spend on their bikes, both low cost and high cost?
Please stay away from the silly arguments that all bikes are equal, or it won't matter how much the bike costs because ________ could beat you in a race on a dumpster bike.
I have had times in life when I had little money, like the fact that my first car out of grad school cost me $40 dollars and I drove it for a year. Now, after many years and having raised the kids, I spend what I want on my bikes. However, if you have seen some of my "odd" creations, it is about being a bike lover and making it work for me.
Just wondering if some folks can stay on topic and discuss this with an intent to ponder this idea. We won't likely agree, and who cares. Just looking for some good, interesting, and hopefully FUNNY discussion.
So, why on earth does anyone care what someone else spent on a bike? I have known bike lovers and bike snobs from both the Walmart bike crowd and the Colnago (et al) crowd. So, why do some people care what others spend on their bikes, both low cost and high cost?
Please stay away from the silly arguments that all bikes are equal, or it won't matter how much the bike costs because ________ could beat you in a race on a dumpster bike.
I have had times in life when I had little money, like the fact that my first car out of grad school cost me $40 dollars and I drove it for a year. Now, after many years and having raised the kids, I spend what I want on my bikes. However, if you have seen some of my "odd" creations, it is about being a bike lover and making it work for me.
Just wondering if some folks can stay on topic and discuss this with an intent to ponder this idea. We won't likely agree, and who cares. Just looking for some good, interesting, and hopefully FUNNY discussion.
because: if such time comes that the item must be sold. The owner/seller will only have a harder time selling.
As customers of used items are very cheap minded.
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I am planning on riding my bikes to the point I will not care!!!
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I never have a problem with anyone spending whatever they want on a bike. I've seen an Ellis custom bike in person, and it was stunning. Gallery - Ellis Cycles: custom hand built bicycles & racks But, for me, I ride what works. I've totally gotten over any desire for custom or bling for bling's sake. I DO have a problem with people saying that their noodly titanium bike with down tube shifters is as good (efficient/functional) as my carbon fiber bike with integrated shifters. The more you ride, the better you get, the better you're able to discern and benefit from the amazing technology that's available in the marketplace.
I've probably bought my last road bike, but new mountain bikes are singing their siren's song for me and my wife.
I've probably bought my last road bike, but new mountain bikes are singing their siren's song for me and my wife.
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When I went back to riding, I bought a nice Trek 2300 with AL frame and Ultegra shifters. It became my rain/snow bike. Then a carbon fiber Scott SL with Kysrium SL wheels and Dura Ace gruppo - this thing was super stiff and climbed like a scalded cat. Then a Scott Addict when I broke the SL frame. Finally a Parlee Z4 with Reynolds Assault mid-dish CF rims and SRAM Force Gruppo. Also fairly stiff.
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I'm a little embarrassed to still be riding my amazon.com Schwinn special now in it's second year especially because I can afford to get a better bike. I subscribe to bicycle magazine now and enjoy the reviews of more expensive rides. I test rode three different new bikes last summer and couldn't decide which one was for me so I didn't buy anything. In the meantime, I'm perfectly content and in no hurry to upgrade. When I see and ride the bike I really want, I'll know it but by choosing one bike, I've eliminated all others and that doesn't seem fair. I might become the LBS's most dreaded customer as I want to ride them all before I decide, a daunting task and I won't win any popularity contests. I'm still having fun on the Schwinn but I secretly want someone to steal it so I'm forced to make a decision. It's all good when it comes to riding/choosing bikes. I'm just thrilled my wife talked me into buying one. I argued with her that they would only become dust collectors but now it's the couch that's collecting dust, a wonderful thing
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A friend of mine, who not only shared my penchant for vintage road bikes, also has a workshop & garage filled with mountain bikes, old cars, motorcycle- cool old toys. He nonetheless teased me that I should quit fooling around with the old stuff, that I could afford to go out and buy a new bike. He was right, and I did (thought it was still a close-out deal). Sometimes we need to hear we should spend MORE, not less.
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Why not argue about cost? It beats arguing about waiving.
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