Looking at bikes.
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Looking at bikes.
People talk about bike fit and all that stuff. However, when you go to a bike shop they only have a few bikes that fit the style, price, etc. that you are looking for. Then when you find a model that you like, you only have a choice between, say, a 52cm or a 54cm.
I'm looking for a road bike. Yesteday I rode a Felt Z90 and it was very comfortable. Today I rode a much more expensive Cannondale Synapse and it felt like I was riding stretched-out and face-down on the street, although both are supposed to have a relaxed geometry.
So, what do you do when you're buying a bike. Just buy the one that feels the best?
This bike buying thing can get very time consuming.
I'm looking for a road bike. Yesteday I rode a Felt Z90 and it was very comfortable. Today I rode a much more expensive Cannondale Synapse and it felt like I was riding stretched-out and face-down on the street, although both are supposed to have a relaxed geometry.
So, what do you do when you're buying a bike. Just buy the one that feels the best?
This bike buying thing can get very time consuming.
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As much fun as bike shopping could be, at can also be a long and frustrating
experience. One day you and the right bike will be at the same place at the
same time and you must then pounce or forever regret the one that got
away, hee hee. Find some shops with a large variety and a large inventory
to help simplify the process.
experience. One day you and the right bike will be at the same place at the
same time and you must then pounce or forever regret the one that got
away, hee hee. Find some shops with a large variety and a large inventory
to help simplify the process.
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Proper fit to the rider is the single most important attribute of a bicycle. It sounds as though the Cannondale had a longer top tube, a longer handlebar stem, or both. A good first approximation for proper horizontal fit is that the nose of the saddle should be about a cubit behind the top center portion of the drop handlebar.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Proper fit to the rider is the single most important attribute of a bicycle. It sounds as though the Cannondale had a longer top tube, a longer handlebar stem, or both. A good first approximation for proper horizontal fit is that the nose of the saddle should be about a cubit behind the top center portion of the drop handlebar.
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sknhgy,
Can you rent? I know that sounds odd but when you narrow it down to a couple of bikes renting for the weekend can tell you a lot more than a ride around the parking lot.
A lbs(local bike shop) here rents bikes for the weekend for $35 and will deduct any rental fees from the price of a new bike.
Just a thought.
Can you rent? I know that sounds odd but when you narrow it down to a couple of bikes renting for the weekend can tell you a lot more than a ride around the parking lot.
A lbs(local bike shop) here rents bikes for the weekend for $35 and will deduct any rental fees from the price of a new bike.
Just a thought.
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You may not find a bike that fits you exactly "off the rack" at a bike shop. What a good bike shop should do is measure you and then have a good idea of a particular type of bike that will work best with your body type. Fit can be fine tuned with stem length and height, seat setback, etc... The Cannondale that had you too stretched out, for example, might feel fine with a stem that is a couple of cm shorter and a bit higher. The most important thing is to find an LBS where the folks know what they are doing (sometimes easier said than done).
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I never heard that one before. I just checked it on one of my bikes and it doesn't appear to be anywhere close to right. Elbow to middle finger tip from the seat tip was 3" shy of the distance to the middle of my bar top.
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From: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.
First decide on the approximate quality- weight and colour of the bike you want and start looking- Go to every shop you can find that stocks the type of bike you want and Look- sit on and hopefully test ride the ones that fit your criteria. And then keep looking.
Then it happens- You go to a shop and there is a bike that talks to you. The one that fits- Has the right components and has a suitable colour. Take it for a test ride- and it screams at you.
It sounds as though you are not finding the right bike at present- and you are doing right by not committing to it. But that right bike will appear- the only problem is that it will be well above your price- but you can always sell the kids to get it. Only thing is do get the colour right- There are certain colours to steer clear of with the main one being White.
Then it happens- You go to a shop and there is a bike that talks to you. The one that fits- Has the right components and has a suitable colour. Take it for a test ride- and it screams at you.
It sounds as though you are not finding the right bike at present- and you are doing right by not committing to it. But that right bike will appear- the only problem is that it will be well above your price- but you can always sell the kids to get it. Only thing is do get the colour right- There are certain colours to steer clear of with the main one being White.
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The Long Stretched position is my Power Position. My most power with least effort.
It takes a while to get used to the Drops. But it is easy, fun, and fast after you get the hang of it.
Ride the Felt again. Imagine 30 mph on flat roads.
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When you have an experience like you did with the Cannondale, you have a great opportunity to see what kind of bike store with which your dealing. Give them feedback on your riding experience with the bike, and watch carefully how they respond. If they actively listen and work to help find the right fit, this is a good thing. If they ignore your comments or blow them off, you might want to consider a different shop. While fit can make all the difference in the world concerning your wanting to ride, how far and fast you can ride, and how comfortable you are, a good bike shop makes all the difference in terms of you cycling happily for years to come.
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You may not find a bike that fits you exactly "off the rack" at a bike shop. What a good bike shop should do is measure you and then have a good idea of a particular type of bike that will work best with your body type. Fit can be fine tuned with stem length and height, seat setback, etc... The Cannondale that had you too stretched out, for example, might feel fine with a stem that is a couple of cm shorter and a bit higher. The most important thing is to find an LBS where the folks know what they are doing (sometimes easier said than done).
Beware of the shop that says, "You'll get used to it" or tries to tell you the bike is correct, you have to change. Unfortunatley, there are lots of shops that don't spend time making the bike correct.
BTW if you are looking for relaxed geometry, try Giant OCR.
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Sknhgy, call Wildtrak Bikes in Alton, and ask when/if the C'Dale trailer will be back- they'll have every size/model available for test rides, and will swap stems. It's a great opportunity if they're coming back this year. And they're right on the River Road, so test rides are easy. If C'Dale isn't what you want to end up with, at least you'll know dimensions that work for you. Also, I think Touring Cyclist rents bikes on the riverfront in downtown St. Louis. might be able to try some different sizes there.
We went to a fitter and had a detailed set of numbers worked up. We then took the numbers to a local (Wildtrak again) and ordered LHTs.
We went to a fitter and had a detailed set of numbers worked up. We then took the numbers to a local (Wildtrak again) and ordered LHTs.
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Bikes: 1980 Masi, 1984 Mondonico, 1984 Trek 610, 1980 Woodrup Giro, 2005 Mondonico Futura Leggera ELOS, 1967 PX10E, 1971 Peugeot UO-8
People talk about bike fit and all that stuff. However, when you go to a bike shop they only have a few bikes that fit the style, price, etc. that you are looking for. Then when you find a model that you like, you only have a choice between, say, a 52cm or a 54cm.
I'm looking for a road bike. Yesteday I rode a Felt Z90 and it was very comfortable. Today I rode a much more expensive Cannondale Synapse and it felt like I was riding stretched-out and face-down on the street, although both are supposed to have a relaxed geometry.
So, what do you do when you're buying a bike. Just buy the one that feels the best?
This bike buying thing can get very time consuming.
I'm looking for a road bike. Yesteday I rode a Felt Z90 and it was very comfortable. Today I rode a much more expensive Cannondale Synapse and it felt like I was riding stretched-out and face-down on the street, although both are supposed to have a relaxed geometry.
So, what do you do when you're buying a bike. Just buy the one that feels the best?
This bike buying thing can get very time consuming.
This summer I'm asking around for a Ruby for her, thinks she's ready to try a drop bar bike, and the local dealer says 2008s are about played out, but 2009s are on the way.
However, he thinks that with the Olympics in China and the forced idling of some Chinese parts plants, bike availability might be delayed this year. Who knows?
I guess the main point is that bikes are now a global industry, subject (like say, cars) to a global range of problems and issues.
Shop around.
Last edited by Road Fan; 08-03-08 at 11:30 AM.
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It's one of the old wive's tales of cycling. It puts 'bars about 2 inches too far out for me. It also totally ignores variables like handlebar reach and brake lever length/position, and most important, ignores what your riding style and goals dictate.
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There are a number of things other than bike size. The size of the bike pretty much fits your legs to the bike. Your feeling "stretched out" might be solveable by swapping out the stem for a shorter stem to bring the handlebars closer to you. I have yet to go to a bike shop to buy a bike where they don't do that without cost or at a minimal cost. A good bike shop should measure you, talk to you about your style of riding and pretty much tailor a production bike to you.
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Bikes: Cilo 12 speed road bike w/shimano 105 and tange #1 double butted frame,fork and stays...Schwinn criss cross, modified to climb off road..currently treaded for the katy trail.
For me, the cubit puts me too far forward. I have long torso and "ape arms" with short inseam. Everybody is different. I would make sure your seat and legs are correct, then adjust stem and bars to tweak the fit. The bike geometry and top tube length has to already be within an acceptable range for your physique or it's pretty tough to tweak it. Plus you need to dismount without injury. Sure, you could probably ride most anything with enough compromises and great care. I wouldn't, though. I think you are wise to stand firm on frame size first, then make minor adjustments for fit. I would expect my LBS to make these adjustments to a frame size I like so I can ride it that way before deciding to buy it.
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Sknhgy, call Wildtrak Bikes in Alton, and ask when/if the C'Dale trailer will be back- they'll have every size/model available for test rides, and will swap stems. It's a great opportunity if they're coming back this year. And they're right on the River Road, so test rides are easy. If C'Dale isn't what you want to end up with, at least you'll know dimensions that work for you. Also, I think Touring Cyclist rents bikes on the riverfront in downtown St. Louis. might be able to try some different sizes there.
We went to a fitter and had a detailed set of numbers worked up. We then took the numbers to a local (Wildtrak again) and ordered LHTs.
We went to a fitter and had a detailed set of numbers worked up. We then took the numbers to a local (Wildtrak again) and ordered LHTs.
While I would like to have a new road bike, I am in no hurry. I could see the possibility of spending over my budget, but hey, bikes are good things. There are a number of other bike shops around here. I will shop around and try other bikes.
Oh, the cubit thing came up right over the vertical tube on my other two bikes. So it was about 3" short of the middle of the handlebar.
If Wildtrak can order any type of bike I would be happy to deal with them. They are the easiest for me to get to.







