3rd Annual 50+ Ride? Anyone?
11-22-10, 04:10 PM
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I don't want to sound paranoid about liability, but I wouldn't want someone to accidentally assume such unwittingly. There was a recent thread this August on the Fifty Plus Forum that discussed the issue in: "Has Anyone Ever Organized a New Biking Group?"
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ight=liability
What I was thinking...was that if people wanted to gather here and ride together it would be the same as getting together anywhere, everyone take responsibility for themselves. I can suggest some fantastic rides, but I'm not responsible for your health, safety or skill on the bike, that would be ridiculous. What I would help out with is suggesting rides that are common to riders in the area, poll the group to see what the comfort level is and provide directions, maps etc.
If there is any question of my personal liability, then count me out, I wouldn't want to ride with a group like that.
If there is any question of my personal liability, then count me out, I wouldn't want to ride with a group like that.
I would tell you that I would never sue anyone who graciously invited me on an informal ride, say via Bike Forums. And to further quote Howie Carr, "You can trust me; I'm not like the others."
Personally, I know all kinds of routes around Ann Arbor, and I would be glad to make it a three day weekend of cycling with the OHR as a centerpiece. I'm also glad to advise accordingly, but without responsibility, FWIW.
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11-23-10, 08:31 AM
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Unfortunately, I've thrown away the piece of duct tape/bill of sale, so I'll gladly pay for my pie!Here's a shot of the well spent $20 as I brought it home from last year's ride. The seat and seat bag are the only extras.
11-23-10, 10:17 AM
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While I could have actually afforded to pay up to $30, the whole $20 bike story is more about Divine Intervention I guess. As my secretary once told me "The Lord looks out for idiots and little babies Karl, so you're covered." Unfortunately, I've thrown away the piece of duct tape/bill of sale, so I'll gladly pay for my pie!
Here's a shot of the well spent $20 as I brought it home from last year's ride. The seat and seat bag are the only extras.
Unfortunately, I've thrown away the piece of duct tape/bill of sale, so I'll gladly pay for my pie!Here's a shot of the well spent $20 as I brought it home from last year's ride. The seat and seat bag are the only extras.
11-23-10, 10:43 AM
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Ha! It had YEARS of grime and basement funk on it, believe me! It took several hours of cleaning to get it shiny again. I'd torn the derailleur off my Miyata on a ride that day(see 2nd annual 50+ thread), so when I passed this bike on the side of the road, I just thought I'd buy the thing for a derailleur for the next day's ride! Didn't realize 'til I started cleaning it it was a pretty decent mid-80's boom bike. Guy said it'd been in the basement almost 20 years, and the wife just wanted it gone....bless her heart! Still riding the tires that came on it, ha!
11-23-10, 12:04 PM
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TSL provided the infomation to register for the Ride, and that was the provision. I think the fee was about $3.00. I myself registered on site.
I don't want to sound paranoid about liability, but I wouldn't want someone to accidentally assume such unwittingly. There was a recent thread this August on the Fifty Plus Forum that discussed the issue in: "Has Anyone Ever Organized a New Biking Group?"
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ight=liability
A cynical talk show host here in Boston has a catch phrase, "No good deed goes unpunished."
I would tell you that I would never sue anyone who graciously invited me on an informal ride, say via Bike Forums. And to further quote Howie Carr, "You can trust me; I'm not like the others."
Personally, I know all kinds of routes around Ann Arbor, and I would be glad to make it a three day weekend of cycling with the OHR as a centerpiece. I'm also glad to advise accordingly, but without responsibility, FWIW.
I don't want to sound paranoid about liability, but I wouldn't want someone to accidentally assume such unwittingly. There was a recent thread this August on the Fifty Plus Forum that discussed the issue in: "Has Anyone Ever Organized a New Biking Group?"
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ight=liability
A cynical talk show host here in Boston has a catch phrase, "No good deed goes unpunished."
I would tell you that I would never sue anyone who graciously invited me on an informal ride, say via Bike Forums. And to further quote Howie Carr, "You can trust me; I'm not like the others."
Personally, I know all kinds of routes around Ann Arbor, and I would be glad to make it a three day weekend of cycling with the OHR as a centerpiece. I'm also glad to advise accordingly, but without responsibility, FWIW.
11-24-10, 10:36 AM
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I guess I really don't know what the possible participants are looking for. Are we looking for someone on this bike ride to be ready to fund treatment of any and all injuries that may occur, and related damage to bicycle and other property?
I don't see how such coverage can be provided. And if I invited one of you to accompany me on a bike ride, I would not be committing to providing such coverage.
In exchange for the $3.00, was that coverage promised? if not, what was promised, other than permission to participate in the ride?
The Ann Arbor ride usually costs about $30 (or more or less depending on advance registration versus day of event, and if you are already an AABTS member), which goes to pay for event expenses, such as food, rest stop equipment and services, SAG/support/sweep vehicle expenses, and I think for police services at difficult intersections. I think the waiver that is required to be signed (I need to get a copy and post it, or at least the text) was essentially a hold harmless.
I don't see how such coverage can be provided. And if I invited one of you to accompany me on a bike ride, I would not be committing to providing such coverage.
In exchange for the $3.00, was that coverage promised? if not, what was promised, other than permission to participate in the ride?
The Ann Arbor ride usually costs about $30 (or more or less depending on advance registration versus day of event, and if you are already an AABTS member), which goes to pay for event expenses, such as food, rest stop equipment and services, SAG/support/sweep vehicle expenses, and I think for police services at difficult intersections. I think the waiver that is required to be signed (I need to get a copy and post it, or at least the text) was essentially a hold harmless.
11-24-10, 11:27 AM
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If you get hurt riding in Vegas we duck tape you to your bike and throw you in Lake Mead. It keeps the lawyers out of the picture.
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11-24-10, 12:19 PM
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...I don't want to sound paranoid about liability, but I wouldn't want someone to accidentally assume such unwittingly...
Personally, I know all kinds of routes around Ann Arbor, and I would be glad to make it a three day weekend of cycling with the OHR as a centerpiece. I'm also glad to advise accordingly, but without responsibility, FWIW.
Personally, I know all kinds of routes around Ann Arbor, and I would be glad to make it a three day weekend of cycling with the OHR as a centerpiece. I'm also glad to advise accordingly, but without responsibility, FWIW.
11-27-10, 02:17 PM
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false alarm, sorry.
11-27-10, 08:31 PM
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Yes, I did - been mulling it over.
11-27-10, 09:17 PM
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That will need some thought - the best low cost motel is on a pretty busy street that has a partial sidepath (and is next door to Trader Joe's!), near Whole Foods and half a dozen restaurants. About a block away one can turn north into the sidestreets of a quiet residential neighborhood with some of the town's better hills. It's not near the start of the OHR, but about 10 minutes pedaling from downtown AA, with excellent coffee and a few brewpubs. About 20 min from my house.
There's another a bit better situated, and with an excellent restaurant, but a lot more $.
In the Major Shopping Mall district, there's a Hampton Inn and an Extended Stay America. These are priced in between the other ones. We also have Red Roof and the other usuals.
.....!
There's another a bit better situated, and with an excellent restaurant, but a lot more $.
In the Major Shopping Mall district, there's a Hampton Inn and an Extended Stay America. These are priced in between the other ones. We also have Red Roof and the other usuals.
.....!
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11-27-10, 09:33 PM
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At the risk of overstepping my rights as a non-member of our membership committee, perhaps you could assist Road Fan as kind of a "junior auxiliary" host/guide? And if you are excessively young you may be required to carry a bag of bricks on rides as a weight handicap!
And if you are excessively young you may be required to carry a bag of bricks on rides as a weight handicap!
11-27-10, 09:44 PM
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On behalf of the Council of the Elders I declare that you shall not be shunned if you show up. Please bring a six-pack to assist with your initiation! I assume there is a regional Michigan beer we need to know about.
11-27-10, 10:37 PM
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If you have neck or knee pain you're in! (extra points for artificial joints)
11-28-10, 01:23 AM
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If knee pain is all it takes then I qualified as a teenager. I still remember my physician forty years ago telling me I was developing arthritis. Like so many things, I have misplaced my knee pain over the years. I'm sure I'll find it again. (It's probably in a closet somewhere with my mind.)
11-28-10, 10:17 AM
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Sounds like tsl's rheumatologist was at least close. Tsl is spending a lot of times sitting on a thing with wheels.