The 30mph Conundrum
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Pretty much around here, if I don't ride in the wind I don't ride. So, I just figure it is a really long hill, hope the wind doesn't change directions so that on the way back I can pretend I am going downhill. But, I agree - there is a strong psychological component. But, it does not cause me to hate life. Just lucky, I guess.
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I'm no physicist or mathmatician, stapfam, but isn't there a force requirement to move mass, separate from the wind resistance? Isn't that why E-mc2 limits the speed of anything to the speed of light, because with any mass at all, the energy required isn't possible? It's that physics thing that is holding you back! I have no explanation whatever for what DnvrFox is describing.
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Who's peekin' out from under a stairway
Calling a name that's lighter than air
Who's bending down to give me a rainbow
Everyone knows it's Windy
Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy
And Windy has stor-my eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
And Windy has stor-my eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy
I hope that helps with the discussion
Calling a name that's lighter than air
Who's bending down to give me a rainbow
Everyone knows it's Windy
Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy
And Windy has stor-my eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
And Windy has stor-my eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Above the clouds (above the clouds)
Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy
I hope that helps with the discussion
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That explains everything. With anything but the very slightest downhill the energy assist from gravity far outweighs mechanical losses in our bikes. It's rider effort plus gravity against mechanical loss and the wind. If the hill is steep and long enough gravity alone will be enough for us to reach 30 MPH.
Riding into the wind on the flat our lower speed reduces mechanical losses but not by nearly enough to compensate from losing that wonderful force of gravity. It's just us against the wind unless someone will provide a draft.
Riding into the wind on the flat our lower speed reduces mechanical losses but not by nearly enough to compensate from losing that wonderful force of gravity. It's just us against the wind unless someone will provide a draft.
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