First flat
#26
Patches aren't that hard. The key with patches is to get one of the old fashioned patch kits with the glue, and to take your time, the glueless patches are not worth buying. I always carry a spare tube, so on the road I just swap tubes, then I collect them up, and do a bunch at once. I have 3 to do now 

#27
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I have seen folks who simply tighten the QR like a nut, without using the lever portion as a lever, simply as a handle to twist the nut part of the QR as tight as they can get it, missing the added tightness of closing the lever. This is what I am concerned about, and it is great that it never occurred to you to do that. Doing this could be very dangerous, especially on a rear dropout with no "lawyer's tabs."
Ken
#28
Ok, but that is not a matter of common sense, that is a matter of being completely clueless.
I'm not very good at arguing the finer (and perhaps unnecessary) points of language and semantics in this context, nor do I care to, so I will just drop it. Hopefully, you will do likewise.
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And just FYI would like to point out that if you're a dedicated cyclist who patches their own tubes, REMA (my favorite brand!) has patches available in boxes of 100, plus REMA glue (pretty much standard rubber cement, but in a handy can) and "rubber buffer" (to treat the tube surface prior to application of glue) as well.
Still, it's a good idea to keep a "kit" in your seat bag or other place on our bike, but save it for on-the-road punctures and use the REMA items noted above at home in your "bike shop" area or tool kit.
Rick / OCRR
PS: Probably not applicable to the OP or other newbee's.
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Take the first one, add air, until it's about twice normal size, push it into the bucket a short piece at a time, until you see bubbles rushing out, put your thumb over the hole, dry off that section of tube, rough up an area of about 2 times the size of your patch, and cover the roughed up area with glue, put it to the side, and get the rest to this same condition, it takes about 10 minutes, to dry. Apply the patch, glue side down to the glue area on the tube, add a nice heavy weight, and do the rest to this same point. Give them about 15 minutes to set up. Use the water to make sure your patch is air proof. Dry off, let out all the air, and fold it up. Put it in a tube box or in a heavy duty zipper style plastic bag, your done.
#33
If you can swap a tube, you can fix one, you need, glue, patches, a piece of fine sand paper, bucket of water, an old rag, a pump. I collect up a few, and fix them at once.
Take the first one, add air, until it's about twice normal size, push it into the bucket a short piece at a time, until you see bubbles rushing out, put your thumb over the hole, dry off that section of tube, rough up an area of about 2 times the size of your patch, and cover the roughed up area with glue, put it to the side, and get the rest to this same condition, it takes about 10 minutes, to dry. Apply the patch, glue side down to the glue area on the tube, add a nice heavy weight, and do the rest to this same point. Give them about 15 minutes to set up. Use the water to make sure your patch is air proof. Dry off, let out all the air, and fold it up. Put it in a tube box or in a heavy duty zipper style plastic bag, your done.
Take the first one, add air, until it's about twice normal size, push it into the bucket a short piece at a time, until you see bubbles rushing out, put your thumb over the hole, dry off that section of tube, rough up an area of about 2 times the size of your patch, and cover the roughed up area with glue, put it to the side, and get the rest to this same condition, it takes about 10 minutes, to dry. Apply the patch, glue side down to the glue area on the tube, add a nice heavy weight, and do the rest to this same point. Give them about 15 minutes to set up. Use the water to make sure your patch is air proof. Dry off, let out all the air, and fold it up. Put it in a tube box or in a heavy duty zipper style plastic bag, your done.
Please don't be driven to force me to do something I don't want to do, don't have time for, and have a WHOLE lot of other priorities in life that I consider so vastly more important than patching a tube. What is it with the "fix your own tube" religion, anyway?
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#34
Somehow, you miss the point. I don't want to, don't enjoy, detest, hate, abhor, loathe, abominate, and dislike intensely fixing my tubes.
Please don't be driven to force me to do something I don't want to do, don't have time for, and have a WHOLE lot of other priorities in life that I consider so vastly more important than patching a tube. What is it with the "fix your own tube" religion, anyway?
Please don't be driven to force me to do something I don't want to do, don't have time for, and have a WHOLE lot of other priorities in life that I consider so vastly more important than patching a tube. What is it with the "fix your own tube" religion, anyway?
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#35
Sorry, Dnvr. Your post made me laugh a bit. My father still gets annoyed with me for not chaning the oil in my car. Your list...detest, hate, abhor, loathe,abominate, and dislike intensely... pretty much describes my feelings about changing the oil in my car. I fully "get" not wanting to patch tubes.
That is one of the priorities that, to me, is more important than repairing tubes.
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Somehow, you miss the point. I don't want to, don't enjoy, detest, hate, abhor, loathe, abominate, and dislike intensely fixing my tubes.
Please don't be driven to force me to do something I don't want to do, don't have time for, and have a WHOLE lot of other priorities in life that I consider so vastly more important than patching a tube. What is it with the "fix your own tube" religion, anyway?
Please don't be driven to force me to do something I don't want to do, don't have time for, and have a WHOLE lot of other priorities in life that I consider so vastly more important than patching a tube. What is it with the "fix your own tube" religion, anyway?
#38
Well, the reason I fix tubes is simple, a tube costs $4, a patch costs 4 ¢ so, yeah I'm cheap, and when the alternative is cleaning the garage. Mind you I always buy new tubes with new tires, and the old ones get checked over, no leaks, they go in the spares pile. Currently there is a spare on each of my bikes, a spare on the wife's bike, and two extras in the shed...
Keep up the good work.
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#39
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Well, I brought my bike to the LBS and will pick it up tomorrow after they fix the flat. I didn't have time to watch how the mechanic does it, but I do understand the importance of basic skills in changing a flat on the road. I will put together a kit for what I will need to change flats on the road. Lets see... I'm guessing the list should include:
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
#40
Well, I brought my bike to the LBS and will pick it up tomorrow after they fix the flat. I didn't have time to watch how the mechanic does it, but I do understand the importance of basic skills in changing a flat on the road. I will put together a kit for what I will need to change flats on the road. Lets see... I'm guessing the list should include:
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
An understanding on how to mount a tire without pinching the tube
Some stickon patches, as there will be times when you run out of tubes.
Personally, I don't use CO2, but instead a frame pump. Either works, CO2 cartridges run out, frame pumps don't.
Some folks use a ball of cotton to wipe the inside of the tube to find the - sometimes hidden - sticker or other cause of the flat. If not removed, it will flat again. It can be a tiny wire from a radial tire, also.
I'm sure you will get more suggestions.
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Well, I brought my bike to the LBS and will pick it up tomorrow after they fix the flat. I didn't have time to watch how the mechanic does it, but I do understand the importance of basic skills in changing a flat on the road. I will put together a kit for what I will need to change flats on the road. Lets see... I'm guessing the list should include:
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
Bud
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Well, I brought my bike to the LBS and will pick it up tomorrow after they fix the flat. I didn't have time to watch how the mechanic does it, but I do understand the importance of basic skills in changing a flat on the road. I will put together a kit for what I will need to change flats on the road. Lets see... I'm guessing the list should include:
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
1. Wrenches to undo the nuts on my hack department store bike. ( The front wheel has the quick release but the rear does not)
2. Spare tubes
3. CO2 cartridges
Is their anything else I should add to the list?
I refuse to patch tubes. I realize I don't have the skill or the time to try patching tubes. Would rather pay the extra dough.
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#45
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On the subject of repairing flats I practically paid my way through college fixing sew-ups. I charged $25 to fix one and people were glad to pay it because the really good silk ones were $100+ This was just for patching the tube, not taking it off the rim or remounting it. Of course with sew-ups you had to find the leak, cut the casing, pull out the tube, patch the tube and then sew it up again. The hard part was sewing it up again so that the casing was perfectly even. It was a talent at lot of people didn't have. My mother taught me to sew at an early age and it has served me well :-).
DnvrFox: You might find people willing to take your old tubes instead of you throwing them out. They are so easy to patch I think you will find plenty of people willing to take a tube with only one hole in it and patching it rather than spending the bucks for a new tube. Where I live there is a place that teaches youth to refurbish bicycles and they are always willing to take perfectly good tubes off people's hands.
DnvrFox: You might find people willing to take your old tubes instead of you throwing them out. They are so easy to patch I think you will find plenty of people willing to take a tube with only one hole in it and patching it rather than spending the bucks for a new tube. Where I live there is a place that teaches youth to refurbish bicycles and they are always willing to take perfectly good tubes off people's hands.
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#47
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tire levers to aid in removing and replacing the tire, although some of us get so much practice that we do it without levers, and it also depends on the type of tire - some are very easy, some are difficult.
An understanding on how to mount a tire without pinching the tube
Some stickon patches, as there will be times when you run out of tubes.
Personally, I don't use CO2, but instead a frame pump. Either works, CO2 cartridges run out, frame pumps don't.
Some folks use a ball of cotton to wipe the inside of the tube to find the - sometimes hidden - sticker or other cause of the flat. If not removed, it will flat again. It can be a tiny wire from a radial tire, also.
I'm sure you will get more suggestions.
An understanding on how to mount a tire without pinching the tube
Some stickon patches, as there will be times when you run out of tubes.
Personally, I don't use CO2, but instead a frame pump. Either works, CO2 cartridges run out, frame pumps don't.
Some folks use a ball of cotton to wipe the inside of the tube to find the - sometimes hidden - sticker or other cause of the flat. If not removed, it will flat again. It can be a tiny wire from a radial tire, also.
I'm sure you will get more suggestions.

If you do want to carry CO2 remember that you need to carry more cartridges then tubes, and you need an inflator. Probably the best idea for an inflator is the Topeak Two Timer, which is an inflator and pump in one, so when you find the cartridge is no good, or you don't get it installed properly and all the CO2 goes off in space, you can still pump. I haven't tried one of these, but it looks like a good idea....
#48
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This served the dual purpose of an extra spare, and cleaning up someone else's mess on the trail. Then again, some people think I am weird, in that I believe that we should respect God's creation, not trash it.
#49
I am a little surprised to hear how many people don't patch tubes. Makes me wonder how I can find the locals with that view. Enough of them and I'd never have to buy another tube.
By the way, OP, regarding your list:
You probably don't need wrenches (plural) for your back wheel, just one that fits.
I carry tire levers too. Some tires you don't need them, others you do, some times you flat when the weather is nice, other times it's freezing and your fingers appreciate the tire levers doing the work.
I also started carrying those thin, disposable gloves so that I don't get grease/grime/oil all over myself from handling the chain.
I also carry a patch kit, though often it turns out impractical to use as it is not always possible to find the leak.
By the way, OP, regarding your list:
You probably don't need wrenches (plural) for your back wheel, just one that fits.
I carry tire levers too. Some tires you don't need them, others you do, some times you flat when the weather is nice, other times it's freezing and your fingers appreciate the tire levers doing the work.
I also started carrying those thin, disposable gloves so that I don't get grease/grime/oil all over myself from handling the chain.
I also carry a patch kit, though often it turns out impractical to use as it is not always possible to find the leak.
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Or when the pump breaks! Every time a thread like this starts someone will post that they use CO2 because every time they needed to use their pump it was broken, and then someone else will post that they use a pump because every time they needed to use their CO2 it was broken. So, since I am not a weight weenie I have adopted the only logical strategy based on the collective experience: I carry one of each and if they are both broken, I call my wife to pick me up. If my phone is broken too, I walk. If my leg is broken too, well I'm having a real doozey of a bad day, aren't I?
Ken
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