Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Fifty Plus (50+)
Reload this Page >

A "revelation" ride...

Notices
Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

A "revelation" ride...

Old 09-06-11, 02:03 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,683

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Liked 1,382 Times in 806 Posts
A "revelation" ride...

My gf has not been riding a lot this season and I've been riding more than last year. So, while I've been getting more fit, losing weight and getting faster she has been lagging on our rides. But, I want her to be encouraged to ride and enjoy our time together. Up to now I've been leading and stopping whenever she got too far behind. Yesterday I took another approach. I told her to lead and ride at a pace that she finds comfortable. I then rode in my small chain wheel only and concentrated on higher rpms instead of mph. As a result we actually rode together and my spinning got much better. At one point I found myself at 125 rpm on a slight downgrade and not bouncing off the seat! This from a guy who last year thought "spinning" was anything above 85 rpms. This new approach has allowed us to ride together and me to become more versatile in powering the bike. It's all good. No, it's great. I really enjoyed the ride, learned a lot and broadened the scope of my riding.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 09-06-11, 02:42 PM
  #2  
Time for a change.
 
stapfam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Posts: 19,913

Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.

Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
One of the tricks we have for encouraging new riders into our group is that we make the New rider lead at some point on a ride. Can give them a hard timeas they feel they have to pull at a level above what their fitness will allow so they can tire quickly. We put a rider behind them and tell him to slow down whenever a slope comes up or they get to our comfort level. It is not long before we can judge what they can do and where they need a bit of coaching. It also gives the new rider confidence as he realises that we are not going to kill him on the first ride----We leave that till the 3rd one.

While this is going on- the "Fitter" riders have a complete rest or start playing games such as a 5% hill for about 400 yards and they all get into a low gear that is comparable between the bikes and race up the hill. Ever tried full bore for 400 yards up a slight incline in 22/32. That will put your cadence up and give a Cardio work out.

Recently I have been taking a new rider out with just the two of us. He is getting fit and now has to use that fitness in the right place. We are now onto hills so I pace him up most of them. Albeit slower than the hill could be done but he is now up to 2,500 ft of climbing in 10 miles of 10 to 12% slopes. Next trip is a long 2 mile incline but into a headwind. That will make him realise that Hills are nothing- wind is the enemy.

I have had this from a couple of riders that have been with other groups. When they go with some other riders- they finish up doing a solo ride at a pace they do not enjoy because they are always chasing the other riders. When they come out for a ride with us- They ride with us. They don't feel that they do not have the fitness to ride with us and so they enjoy the ride. The fitter riders can get to the cafe first- they can take a slightly longer route or they can get some Fun traing in while we all ride as a group. Works for me.
__________________
How long was I in the army? Five foot seven.


Spike Milligan
stapfam is offline  
Old 09-06-11, 05:48 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
John_V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 5,585

Bikes: 2017 Colnago C-RS, 2012 Colnago Ace, 2010 Giant Cypress hybrid

Liked 122 Times in 85 Posts
Originally Posted by bruce19
My gf has not been riding a lot this season and I've been riding more than last year. So, while I've been getting more fit, losing weight and getting faster she has been lagging on our rides. But, I want her to be encouraged to ride and enjoy our time together. Up to now I've been leading and stopping whenever she got too far behind. Yesterday I took another approach. I told her to lead and ride at a pace that she finds comfortable. I then rode in my small chain wheel only and concentrated on higher rpms instead of mph. As a result we actually rode together and my spinning got much better. At one point I found myself at 125 rpm on a slight downgrade and not bouncing off the seat! This from a guy who last year thought "spinning" was anything above 85 rpms. This new approach has allowed us to ride together and me to become more versatile in powering the bike. It's all good. No, it's great. I really enjoyed the ride, learned a lot and broadened the scope of my riding.
This is actually the way I ride with my wife at the wilderness park. I did 31 miles with her yesterday morning following behind her at 10-12 mph while spinning most of the time. Wasn't too bad for me as I have a triple and normally ride on the middle chainring, so I just kicked it down all the way and did the same speed as her but doing it between 80-100 rpm.
__________________
HCFR Cycling Team
Ride Safe ... Ride Hard ... Ride Daily

2017 Colnago C-RS
2012 Colnago Ace
2010 Giant Cypress
John_V is offline  
Old 09-06-11, 07:24 PM
  #4  
Banned.
 
DnvrFox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 20,917
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
+1 - My wife always leads and sets the pace. I have lots of times to ride alone and go my pace. Our bicycle times together are more rare, and I try and make them special.
DnvrFox is offline  
Old 09-06-11, 09:03 PM
  #5  
just keep riding
 
BluesDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Milledgeville, Georgia
Posts: 13,560

Bikes: 2018 Black Mountain Cycles MCD,2017 Advocate Cycles Seldom Seen Drop Bar, 2017 Niner Jet 9 Alloy, 2015 Zukas custom road, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S

Liked 33 Times in 22 Posts
I always find it easier to let a slower rider lead than to try to guess what speed they are comfortable riding.

A similar situation comes up on some of the no-drop social and beginner friendly rides our club does. Most beginners want to stay at the very back in case they can't keep up. Sometimes it can be frustratingly difficult to convince them to move closer to the front of the group so that we can adjust our speed to theirs. If they ride in the rear, it can easily happen that we don't know they are having trouble until they have fallen off the back.

As they get a little stronger, I do encourage them to follow someone so they can benefit from the draft, but still not at the very back.
BluesDawg is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 08:03 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,683

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Liked 1,382 Times in 806 Posts
We accomplished our ride at about 14 mph over a fairly hilly route. My gf has the potential to be a very strong rider but since she retired last year she has had to take a variety of clients in her work as a Behaviorist working with autistic children. What that means is she is working all over the state at odd dates and times. No set schedule results in her being unable to have a consistent riding schedule. This has caused her to ride less and me to ride more solo and, thus, harder. Hopefully our new way of riding together will give us both what we need on the bike and with each other. I enjoyed it tremendously.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 09:22 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
TromboneAl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Far, Far Northern California
Posts: 2,873

Bikes: 1997 Specialized M2Pro

Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I almost always let my wife lead. I take photos:

TromboneAl is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 10:28 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
bjjoondo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado Springs, CO.
Posts: 2,116

Bikes: 2011 ICE Sprint Special Edition

Liked 101 Times in 66 Posts
I too, always let the wife lead when were riding together on single bikes, still I think she likes the new "tandem" better! She says she doesn't feel like she's, "holding me up", when were on the tandem. Like many have said, it's "special" when we ride together, I'll save the "training" for when I'm solo, jmho, ymmv.
__________________
Take Care, Ride Safe, have FUN! :)
Jo: 2009 ICE Trice T
BJ: 2011 ICE Sprint Special Edition









bjjoondo is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 11:05 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,683

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Liked 1,382 Times in 806 Posts
Originally Posted by bjjoondo
She says she doesn't feel like she's, "holding me up", when were on the tandem.
My gf started getting into the "I don't want to hold you up" thing too. I just say...."You know how I will tell you exactly what I'm thinking even if you don't want to hear it? Well, now I'm telling you that what is important to me is to ride with you. I like riding with you. If I want to ride a TT I'll do it when you're working. Are we done with that now?" Seems to be working OK.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 12:07 PM
  #10  
Banned.
 
Mr. Beanz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Upland Ca
Posts: 19,895

Bikes: Lemond Chambery/Cannondale R-900/Trek 8000 MTB/Burley Duet tandem

Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
I used a different approach. I take the lead, let her ride my wheel while pretty much keeping her right at her limit, slightly above at times. Not so much that it's punishing, just a challenge, sometimes without her even knowing it. We started out doing 12 MPH averages on a 42 mile rides and plenty of times physically pushing her back with one arm.. She's worked her way up to an 18.4 average over the same 42 mile ride.

This is her recently, hitting 20-22 with a friend of ours then into some riding with some SoCal forum members.

I love this video. Boyd with the white beard is 65, ex drinker and smoker and has one eye (glass eye). Open heart surgery then started "living" by way of bike. I admire this guy, goes against all the "I'm too old" whining that my parents have done since age 30. Here, Boyd and Gina crank it up for a ten mile stretch.


Hanging with the boys! Local BF'ers I refer to as The Leaky Fountain Boyz".


102409A by gulpxtreme, on Flickr

Last edited by Mr. Beanz; 09-07-11 at 12:15 PM.
Mr. Beanz is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 01:51 PM
  #11  
Version 7.0
 
Hermes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 13,204

Bikes: Too Many

Liked 2,590 Times in 1,516 Posts
Stronger riders spinning faster while drafting less fit riders is a proven technique for equalizing fitness while allowing the stronger riders to work on an aspect of their cycling.

Climbing is another area where different fitness levels are a problem. Many think that a stronger rider should lead and the weaker rider will get a benefit of a draft. That may work in some cases but a better way is for the stronger rider to ride along side the weaker rider (assuming road conditions allow). This creates team work and the stronger rider rides at the other rider's pace and can offer encouragement, if required. The slower rider does not feel the pressure of having a stronger rider behind with the concern of the speed being high enough.
Hermes is offline  
Old 09-07-11, 02:25 PM
  #12  
I need speed
 
AzTallRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 5,550

Bikes: Giant Propel, Cervelo P2

Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I also just use a low gear and work on my spinning. I enjoy the rides, but somehow have a tough time convincing my wife of that. I ride beside her when I can, and let her lead if we are single file, unless it is a touchy area, and then I can't help but exercise my chivalrous side by making sure it is safe before she hits it. My wife is an athlete. If she really got into cycling, I'd likely be working hard to keep up with her.
AzTallRider is offline  
Old 10-09-11, 05:37 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
goldfinch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Minnesota/Arizona and between
Posts: 4,060

Bikes: Norco Search, Terry Classic, Serotta Classique, Trek Cali carbon hardtail, 1969 Schwinn Collegiate, Giant Cadex

Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz
I used a different approach. I take the lead, let her ride my wheel while pretty much keeping her right at her limit, slightly above at times. Not so much that it's punishing, just a challenge, sometimes without her even knowing it. We started out doing 12 MPH averages on a 42 mile rides and plenty of times physically pushing her back with one arm.. She's worked her way up to an 18.4 average over the same 42 mile ride.
How long did it take her to work up to that kind of speed? (In miles and/or time riding).
goldfinch is offline  
Old 10-09-11, 05:52 PM
  #14  
rebmeM roineS
 
JanMM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Metro Indy, IN
Posts: 16,217

Bikes: Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer

Liked 349 Times in 227 Posts
My wife and I decided to take the tandem route to cycling equalization 11 years ago. Works well for us - most of our riding-together miles (600 so far this year) are with her sitting right behind me. We like it so much we moved on up from our starter tandem (KHS) to a recumbent tandem (RANS) this year.
__________________
Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
JanMM is offline  
Old 10-10-11, 10:37 AM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
gcottay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Green Valley AZ
Posts: 3,770

Bikes: Trice Q; Volae Century; TT 3.4

Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
For us, long upgrades have become a frequent exception to the excellent weaker-rider-leads rule. I take off, do my best up the hill, turn around, and rejoin the parade. Turning around eliminates any pressure on my wife to catch up while I wait at the top or soft pedal.
gcottay is offline  
Old 10-10-11, 12:12 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
david58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Los Alamos, NM
Posts: 1,846

Bikes: Fuji Cross Comp, BMC SR02, Surly Krampas

Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Was going to ride a Century last Saturday, but fortunately a few weeks ago realized my wife would rather me ride with her on the 45 miler. It was her longest ride ever, and first organized one. I find using my small ring and spinning, or changing up and mashing up a hill to burn, are great ways to have us ride together and me get some calories burnt. SHE progresses because I let her ride her pace, and SHE does the pushing at a rate she can stand. Since June, her speed on the flats has gone from barely 12 to over 15, and often can sustain some 17-18 cruising for a bit. We both also ride separately for our training times (and I try to commute regularly), but allowing her to ride at HER pace is the key. She asks to be pushed when its appropriate, which is way more safe than me pushing her.
david58 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
daihard
Road Cycling
2
05-26-14 02:18 PM
bruce19
Fifty Plus (50+)
6
08-30-12 04:36 PM
ladyraestewart
Texas
1
05-22-11 08:40 AM
cyclinfool
Fifty Plus (50+)
5
04-16-11 04:38 PM
MountainCruiser
Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg)
4
09-30-10 10:08 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Your Privacy Choices -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.