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10-07-13 | 08:04 AM
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Anyway, I don't like the paint-by-numbers mentality that is dominating the funding aspect, but that's the way it is becoming.
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10-07-13 | 09:34 AM
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My diabetes doc and my asthma doc both warned me about it over a year ago.
I have a friend who is French. He and his family (wife and two kids) receive top-notch health care at very little cost. He is heavily taxed but at least their healtcare system appears to be working. Which is NOT where we are going here.
10-11-13 | 01:16 PM
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I am one of the colon cancer survivors on the board. I have been told that I need to be checked every three years due to the past history of cancer. If the regime wants to tell me to die gracefully and get out of the way, I will not be happy and I will let them know it.
10-11-13 | 06:01 PM
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I am one of the colon cancer survivors on the board. I have been told that I need to be checked every three years due to the past history of cancer. If the regime wants to tell me to die gracefully and get out of the way, I will not be happy and I will let them know it.
10-11-13 | 06:19 PM
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Wonder if today's elders and those coming on fit the same health and medical profile as those in the study? Seems it is entirely possible the elders today by virtue of their health might live longer, experiment more with adjunctive health supplements and therefore have significantly different disease profiles than those in the study.
10-11-13 | 06:59 PM
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Wonder if today's elders and those coming on fit the same health and medical profile as those in the study? Seems it is entirely possible the elders today by virtue of their health might live longer, experiment more with adjunctive health supplements and therefore have significantly different disease profiles than those in the study.
10-12-13 | 08:29 AM
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Being a colon cancer survivor simply because my mother nagged me to get a colonoscopy before age 50 (48) and being completely without symptoms, I'd suggest that you might want to change this post haste. It's a lousy way to die especially since early treatment is so easy.
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10-12-13 | 09:30 AM
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Paint-by-numbers is exactly it.
My diabetes doc and my asthma doc both warned me about it over a year ago.
I have a friend who is French. He and his family (wife and two kids) receive top-notch health care at very little cost. He is heavily taxed but at least their healtcare system appears to be working. Which is NOT where we are going here.
My diabetes doc and my asthma doc both warned me about it over a year ago.
I have a friend who is French. He and his family (wife and two kids) receive top-notch health care at very little cost. He is heavily taxed but at least their healtcare system appears to be working. Which is NOT where we are going here.
Still, getting your healthcare for next to nothing is great. Sustainable? I wouldn't know.
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10-12-13 | 02:41 PM
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Paint-by-numbers is exactly it.
I have a friend who is French. He and his family (wife and two kids) receive top-notch health care at very little cost. He is heavily taxed but at least their healtcare system appears to be working. Which is NOT where we are going here.
I have a friend who is French. He and his family (wife and two kids) receive top-notch health care at very little cost. He is heavily taxed but at least their healtcare system appears to be working. Which is NOT where we are going here.
I have often said I wouldn't mind having a health insurance policy that paid nothing, but which merely negotiated the lowest possible rate for me on any procedure I chose to have. If your Statement of Benefits is typical, it will display a total negotiated cost, to be shared by patient and insurer, which is as low as 25% of the list price for the same procedure. This is where the uninsured really get it stuck to them.
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10-12-13 | 02:43 PM
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To me the age related testing cut off is misapplication of statistics. Based on what I've read I do not quarrel with the conclusion that these tests do not extend life, nor improve it's quality for the population as a whole. That is a whole different thing than impact on an individual in the group.
Depending on factors such as genetics, life style and current health status a 75 year old can expect to live into their mid-90s. That is a lot of time to allow cancers to grow that could have been easily taken care of if caught early.
So the industry and population as a whole saves money at the cost of individuals.
To me a better answer is better provider and patient education so better,more realistic decisions can be made.
Depending on factors such as genetics, life style and current health status a 75 year old can expect to live into their mid-90s. That is a lot of time to allow cancers to grow that could have been easily taken care of if caught early.
So the industry and population as a whole saves money at the cost of individuals.
To me a better answer is better provider and patient education so better,more realistic decisions can be made.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-12-13 | 02:45 PM
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I believe the elders of today will be the longest-lived in our history. Unfortunately, it is looking like the group following them will not live nearly as long. We are already seeing the life expectancy curves fall off for lower income levels, and I expect the middle income folks to follow suit within the next five to ten years. That obesity/diabetes/sedentary epidemic is going to take its toll on lifespans and quality of elderly life.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-12-13 | 02:49 PM
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We've had threads in the past where it has been noted that testosterone production falls off with age. A rather high percentage of deadly prostate cancers are testosterone-dependent for growth, particularly in their early years. Thus, older males have a substantially reduced risk. Coupling that with the likelihood of bad outcomes from unnecessary treatment decisions that would likely follow suspicious results from a (dubious) PSA test, and guidelines that make it more difficult/expensive to use the PSA test for older folks are pretty valid, IMO.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-13-13 | 04:05 AM
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This is starting to turn into a political discussion. Please keep the politics confined to one of the many healthcare threads in P&R. Thank you.
10-13-13 | 08:11 AM
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OK, but this thread is about cancer screening tests, and politics are increasingly dictating which ones folks of a certain age can obtain, or at least get covered by insurance. I don't see how one separates the issues, which are caught in an increasingly tight web.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
10-13-13 | 08:43 AM
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The problem is that this thread hasn't attracted the foam at the mouthers yet. To get a full complement of them you have to go over to P&R.
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