PSA Testing "Yes" or "No"
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PSA Testing "Yes" or "No"
Current "draft" recommendation by the US Preventive Services Task Force for PSA testing is to do away with it for men under 75.
"The common perception that PSA-based early detection of prostate cancer saves lives is simply not supported by the scientific evidence," task force co-vice chair Michael L. LeFevre, MD, MSPH, professor of family and community medicine at the University of Missouri, tells WebMD.
Read the draft recommendations here.
Your thoughts?
"The common perception that PSA-based early detection of prostate cancer saves lives is simply not supported by the scientific evidence," task force co-vice chair Michael L. LeFevre, MD, MSPH, professor of family and community medicine at the University of Missouri, tells WebMD.
Read the draft recommendations here.
Your thoughts?
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I have a friend that found to have an elevated PSA at age 45. He did have prostate cancer, had surgery and has done well. Without that routine test he might have gone undiagnosed and had a different outcome.
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I'd have to go with the scientific evidence on this one (as I always do). Although I'd have to investigate more and read about more independent analyses to reach a rock-solid conclusion.
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I think that the PSA testing should continue. The real kicker is in their report "Two out of every five men whose prostate cancer is detected through a PSA test, one study found, have a slow-growing cancer that would never have posed any threat to their lives" That means that 3/5 men do have cancer that can be a threat to their lives. I have been there and done that. My PSA jumped from 1.3 to 4 in one year. I had a second PSA test after a bout of antibiotics followed by a biopsy. Talk a bout a kick below the belt when the doctor says you have cancer. I went home and did a ton of research, found the best surgeon in my medical plan and then I had surgery and I am now a member of the "Zero Club" (PSA of less then 0.04) for the past two years. While I am sure that I would still be alive today without the PSA test I would probably not be paying taxes any longer after about 8 more years (based on the post op exam of my prostrate). Based on the average life expectancy of about 84 for a US male I can see in not recommending the PSA test in men over 75. Those biopsies hurt and having blood coming out there is not a pleasant sight. Those are my thoughts and experiences.
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Their conclusion isn't bs. It makes a lot of sense when you look at an entire population and the risks and benefits. The risk isn't just the false positive, it is what you do with the positive results. Wait and see is stressful. Biopsies have risks. And when tumors are found there can be incredible anxiety, even when those tumors may be slow growing and never life threatening. People don't like having cancer growing in them. But men have to decide for themselves and recommendations are for the test to be an individualized decision based on things like age and risk factors rather than an across the board decision.
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My PCP and I agreed to pass on the PSA last year at my 60-year checkup.
Glad to see the report that validates our decision.
Tests that lead to treatment that too often causes more trouble than the disease should not be the standard.
Glad to see the report that validates our decision.
Tests that lead to treatment that too often causes more trouble than the disease should not be the standard.
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Continue! A buddy of mine just underwent cryogenic prostate surgery. He had his PSA checked and it indicated the need for a biopsy. It was cancer. Without the test it could have gone undetected for years and led to a far more serious outcome. Better to be safe than sorry!
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I am taking a different approach, as I do with many diseases. We admittedly cannot reduce the risk to zero, but there is compelling evidence that one can significantly reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer through a well-known dietary regimen, which I have been following for many years. (It is heart-healthy, as well.)
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One of the main points of the study is to show that treatments have risk and are not always "safe". In fact, the results show that it is safer overall not to have the tests and possibly harmful treatments. Anecdotes are one thing, but scientific analysis of the data is another. Most old men have prostate cancer but die of something else.
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Their conclusion isn't bs. It makes a lot of sense when you look at an entire population and the risks and benefits. The risk isn't just the false positive, it is what you do with the positive results. Wait and see is stressful. Biopsies have risks. And when tumors are found there can be incredible anxiety, even when those tumors may be slow growing and never life threatening. People don't like having cancer growing in them. But men have to decide for themselves and recommendations are for the test to be an individualized decision based on things like age and risk factors rather than an across the board decision.

But I agree. I'll almost always go with evidence over anecdote.
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I've always had the test and am disposed to continue it. But I'm going to ask my doc what he thinks. I always get the finger test too.
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Only had one Bendover test -followed by a PSA test followed by a Radical prostatectomy. Since then- a 6 monthly PSA with the result being a big fat "0"
Glad my doc was on the ball.
Edit--- I had no sign of prostate problems and called into the Doc on a different matter. He just said you are of that certain age so bendover. The PSA count came back at 16 and Biopsy showed cancer in all 6 samples.
So I was lucky in that a PSA test showed I had a problem-The Biopsy showed I had a big problem.
Glad my doc was on the ball.
Edit--- I had no sign of prostate problems and called into the Doc on a different matter. He just said you are of that certain age so bendover. The PSA count came back at 16 and Biopsy showed cancer in all 6 samples.
So I was lucky in that a PSA test showed I had a problem-The Biopsy showed I had a big problem.
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BF would be minus one member if it wasn't for early screening and testing. In 05, my PSA was a 2.4 and I was told that we would do a wait and see approach because the digital exam felt more like an enlarged prostate then cancer. A year later, my PSA was at 4.7 and the prostate was the same size as it was the previous year. Three months later, my hematologist took it again and it was 6.1. The biopsy showed a Gleason Score of +8 (out of 10). I hope that all of you guys that feel that these tests are a waste of time have your house in order. Has it ever occurred to anyone that the insurance industry may have been the backers of this project and the findings were biased in their favor? I think too many of us are willing to agree with these medical findings before we know all of the information because we don't want to think of the possibility that it can happen to us. I'm here to tell you, it does. One study does not make it gospel.
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John_V, your case is almost exactly like mine: a Gleason 8 and velocity on the PSA. During surgery, it was found that my cancer had spread away from the prostate and pathology confirmed a fast growing cancer on a speed roll.
Six years later, my cancer returned, also found with PSA velocity, and I've since undergone 8 weeks of radiation and hormone treatments.
All this started at 51 years of age and a PSA test with zero noticable prior symptoms.
Six years later, my cancer returned, also found with PSA velocity, and I've since undergone 8 weeks of radiation and hormone treatments.
All this started at 51 years of age and a PSA test with zero noticable prior symptoms.
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One of the main points of the study is to show that treatments have risk and are not always "safe". In fact, the results show that it is safer overall not to have the tests and possibly harmful treatments. Anecdotes are one thing, but scientific analysis of the data is another. Most old men have prostate cancer but die of something else.
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Are you taking Casodex and getting the Zoladex injections? That was my treatment because of my chronic leukemia (CML). My oncologist/hematologist did not want to take me off of my leukemia meds for any type of surgery so my only choice at the time was the radiation/hormone treatment. I wish they would have had the Cyberknife treatment when I was diagnosed. It would have been another option for me that I didn't have at the time.
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I am on the fence on this one but as I recall the issues of the debate (been going on for years now) the problem is primarily with the reaction to elevated PSA. Lots of men get treatment they don't need with lots of negative effects.
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